http://atlanticreview.org/ Atlantic Review - A press digest on transatlantic affairs edited by three German Fulbright Alumni en Serendipity 1.1.4 - http://www.s9y.org/ editors@atlanticreview.org editors@atlanticreview.org Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:50:30 GMT http://atlanticreview.org/templates/default/img/s9y_banner_small.png http://atlanticreview.org/ 100 21 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15266 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (franchie) France, that they were simply not European enough yet. I agree for Istambul, Izmir, Kusadasi, Antallia... being part of the mediterranean empire :lol: that the mass murderers will be turned over only after being recognized from photos taken of them in a wheel chair wearing diapers on some sunny afternoon uh are you talking of a soccer fan there ? Europe can essentially pat themselves on the back for capturing an aromatherapist uh I like inoffensive aromatotherapists... well if the whole thing only handled on me, I would have left him in peace Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:07:14 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15266 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15265 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (Pat Patterson) Turkey is being kept out because of some ongoing problems in Cyprus? That must be news to the Turks considering the EU made it clear, mainly France, that they were simply not European enough yet. But soft power seems to mean that the mass murderers will be turned over only after being recognized from photos taken of them in a wheel chair wearing diapers on some sunny afternoon. while hard power means ending their rule before they can go an kill more before retirement or senility. Europe can essentially pat themselves on the back for capturing an aromatherapist but mention bringing Gorbachev to justice for his reponsibilities in invading Afghanistan and the tens of thousands the Soviets killed spreading scientific socialisms elicits no more than eye rolling and shoulder shrugging. Tiny ideas produce tiny victories! Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:25:47 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15265 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15264 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (franchie) http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/pearl123199.htm This is a vast conspiration, that we don’t know the afters yet. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:22:20 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15264 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15263 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (Editor, Common Ground News Blog) I don't think that celebrating a victory earned through persistent use of soft power is necessarily "inappropriate." Furthermore, this post - and the articles that inspired it - were reveling neither in Karadzic's capture nor in the success of soft power in this one "symbolic" instance. Instead, the reason for hope and inspiration is the ability of non-violent, non-intrusive means to achieve commendable foreign policy ends. It has been demonstrated that EU membership is a strong enough incentive to curb hostile or "undesirable" policies. May Turkey work more diligently to see an end to the conflict on Cyprus now that Serbia has been so quickly welcomed back into Europe? Maybe, maybe not. But the thought of it is suddenly more plausible than before. This is why this victory is more than "symbolic." It lends augmented credence to the arguments against invasion and occupation and to those for diplomacy and negotiation. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:50:55 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15263 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15262 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (quo vadis) "Well, obviously, without the wars, they might still be in power." What actually made a tangible difference in the lives of Karadzic's victims, the hard power that drive him into hiding or the soft power that has "brought him to justice"? To compare this symbolic victory to the consequences of the Balkans wars seems inappropriate. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:52:18 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15262 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15261 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (Kevin Sampson) Now all you have to do is catch Ratko Mladic. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:27:01 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15261 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#c15260 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1125 nospam@example.com (Joe Noory) I hate to deflate you Luftballon, but Observing Hermann scooped you by a few days. Nonetheless, it's worthy of non-comic treatment, so it sure wouldn't hurt to spam out a mass email. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:30:05 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-guid.html#c15260 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#c15259 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-Karadzics-Arrest-Triumph-of-European-Soft-Power.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1126 nospam@example.com (Joe Noory) If anything the DELAY of Jerry Garcia arrest was a victory for 'soft power'. His MO makes sense, though... from authoritarian collectivist to holistic snake-oil salesman. It does for the New Agey world view what Manson did with the innocent view people had of hippies. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:24:10 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1126-guid.html#c15259 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-German-Military-Returns-to-Traditional-Standing-in-German-Society.html#c15258 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-German-Military-Returns-to-Traditional-Standing-in-German-Society.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1127 nospam@example.com (Fuchur) Ah, wikipedia. I should have thought of that myself :-) Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:18:52 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-guid.html#c15258 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-German-Military-Returns-to-Traditional-Standing-in-German-Society.html#c15257 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-German-Military-Returns-to-Traditional-Standing-in-German-Society.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1127 nospam@example.com (Zyme) "Hm, where did you get this from?! I'm sure that this is incorrect. My own swearing in was pre-1999 and in a public place" It seems that these are in effect since 1996, and more often since 1998 - at least Wikipedia says so :) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feierliches_Gelöbnis According to this, it was not common before 1996 because massive protests in the population were expected. Anyway, 1999 seems to be incorrect. Unfortunately this mistake can only happen to someone who has not been old enough to notice at that time - like me. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:44:37 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-guid.html#c15257 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-German-Military-Returns-to-Traditional-Standing-in-German-Society.html#c15256 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-German-Military-Returns-to-Traditional-Standing-in-German-Society.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1127 nospam@example.com (Fuchur) 1. Juli 20th definitely [i]is[/i] a day like any other in Germany. Also, Stauffenberg is viewed rather critially. Let's not forget that he was Hitler's lapdog for many years. 2. [i]it is only since 1999 that the Army has begun to organize them outside of barracks at public places[/i] Hm, where did you get this from?! I'm sure that this is incorrect. My own swearing in was pre-1999 and in a public place (and apparently this had a long tradition). Google comes up with lots of other instances (e.g. 20.08.1980 on the Münsterplatz in Bonn). 3. [i]It is these developments that arouse the impression that the German military from a merely tolerated evil is back on its way to its traditional standing in German society. [/i] That's quite a bold conclusion. I'd say, this incident clearly shows that the German Bundeswehr has yet a long way to go. Frankly, I don't see anything special or groundbreaking here: Public swearing-in ceremonies with attendance of high ranking popliticians have a long tradition in Germany (see the example from 1980 above). The fact that the organizers had to "blackmail" their own party members to get them to attend the ceremony doesn't say a lot about the standing of the Bundeswehr. But of course it also reveals that the planning of the event was absymally unprofessional. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:00:49 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1127-guid.html#c15256 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#c15255 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1125 nospam@example.com (Joerg - Atlantic Review) Fascinating! Thanks. Who are our peers? Good question. There are not so many. It would be cool, if some big bloggers like Andrew Sullivan, Instapundit, FP Passport and others could put us on their blogroll or link to some of our posts, but I lack the time for marketing... :-( Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:15:14 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-guid.html#c15255 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#c15254 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1125 nospam@example.com (John in Michigan, USA) "Should I feel guilty" Not at all. [url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%2BGlos+site%3Afistfulofeuros.net+OR+site%3Aanglofritz.com+OR+site%3Aatlantic-community.org+OR+site%3Amedienkritik.typepad.com+OR+site%3Adialoginternational.typepad.com+OR+site%3Atransatlantic-forum.org+OR+site%3Atoomuchcookies.net&as_qdr=y&btnG=Search]Based on this Google search[/url] of a selection of European blogs, there has been no mention of Herr Glos for the past 1 year. This means you've scooped all these other blogs re the minister's visit! Let me know who you consider your peers in the European blogging world and I will construct a search string for them if you are interested. Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:19:03 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-guid.html#c15254 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#c15253 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-Germanys-Federal-Minister-of-Economics-Visited-Baghdad.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1125 nospam@example.com (quo vadis) Well, given that according to Nanne and Migeru of Eurotrib, Iraq was in a state of civil was only a few weeks ago, this news should come as something of a shock to the better informed of Europeans. http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1090-What-can-be-expected-of-Europe-in-Iraq.html Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:15:46 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1125-guid.html#c15253 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1124-What-Do-You-Want-to-Know-from-Obamas-German-Fans.html#c15252 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1124-What-Do-You-Want-to-Know-from-Obamas-German-Fans.html#comments http://atlanticreview.org/wfwcomment.php?cid=1124 nospam@example.com (Joe Noory) No, I arrived at that rather rationally when you said with a broad sweep that I was making a broad sweep. You will come to realize this when you read your own comment again. Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:47:13 +0200 http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1124-guid.html#c15252