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Friday, December 14. 2007The Euro-American Religious DividePosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations, US Domestic and Cultural Issues on Friday, December 14. 2007 Many Americans have criticized German politicians for using Anti-Americanism in their election campaigns. Now it seems that at least one US presidential candidate wants to try out Euro-Bashing. Roger Cohen writes in the International Herald Tribune: Romney, a Republican candidate for the presidency and former Massachusetts governor, was dismissive of European societies "too busy or too 'enlightened' to venture inside and kneel in prayer." In so doing, he pointed to what has become the principal trans-Atlantic cultural divide. Europeans still take their Enlightenment seriously enough not to put it in quote marks. They have long found one of its most inspiring reflections in the first 16 words of the American Bill of Rights of 1791: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Trackbacks
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David
- #1 - 2007-12-14 21:16 - (Reply)
The hyper-religiosity among the Republican candidates - especially Huckabee and Romney - is truly disgusting. But here Romney is attacking Europeans in order to deflect attention away from his own Mormon faith - a polytheist sect that makes many Americans uncomfortable. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #1.1 - 2007-12-15 02:27 - (Reply)
I'm not sure how one can justify constant snide references to fundamentalists in the US but then jump on canards about Mormons from the same ill-informed sources. Brigham Young did indeed refer to many Gods and worlds but as manifestations of the One God. Acknowledging that perhaps man worships the God that revealed to him, which sounds an awful lot like The Enlightenment idea of toleration. Comments ()
David
- #1.1.1 - 2007-12-15 13:55 - (Reply)
My source is a 2002 interview with Gordon Hinckley in the New Yorker. Hinckley is the Chief Prophet and President of the LDS. In the interview Hinckley explains how God progressed from being a flesh and blood human being (with wives and kids!) to Heavenly Father. Members of the LDS also achieve deity status in the afterlife ... an appealing thought, don' you think? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #1.1.1.1 - 2007-12-16 01:32 - (Reply)
That description was supplied by the author, Lawrence Wright, not the current Pres. Gordon Hinckley. But obviously strange to most ears is certainly not an admission of polytheism. Here's what was actually said; Comments ()
Elisabetta B
- #2 - 2007-12-14 21:21 - (Reply)
It is a silly opinion piece, but you know that. I loved the vacuous, political phrase "faith-based presidency". As compared to the successful anarcho-vegisexual nihilistic platform of Carter? "Faith-based" is progressive shorthand for crazy baptist fundamentalist and in this case, it is not true. Point of fact, many if not most Protestants consider Mormonism to be heretical so Cohen's depiction of Romney as lock-stepping fundie rings false. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #2.1 - 2007-12-14 23:23 - (Reply)
"don't think this qualifies as 'Euro-bashing' to mention that the lack of religiousity in a people can be symptomatic of cultural weakness or decline." Comments ()
Elisabetta B
- #3 - 2007-12-14 23:48 - (Reply)
Romney is not proffering an example of direct causality between falling and/or dismal church attendance and decline in economic/military/political power. I infer he was referring to the loss of spirituality and cultural confidence after WWII which manifests itself in bad church attendance blah blah blah. The op-ed does skip around a bit, doesn't it? Comments ()
David
- #4 - 2007-12-15 00:08 - (Reply)
"On an related point, how many artists of international and historical note has Germany produced who were born after WWII? None" Comments ()
Elisabetta B
- #4.1 - 2007-12-15 00:27 - (Reply)
One, I said of 'historical note'. Not the latest fad that trade broadsheets drum up. Comments ()
David
- #4.1.1 - 2007-12-15 13:58 - (Reply)
One, so I guess we'll know in 50 years which church-going American will have emerged as the next Picasso or James Joyce. None is now visible on the world stage. Comments ()
Elisabetta B.
- #4.1.1.1 - 2007-12-15 16:59 - (Reply)
No need to apologize, David. You acted just as I would have expected you to, if you had not read my question. Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #5 - 2007-12-16 19:46 - (Reply)
If any criticism, no matter how mild, constitutes 'bashing', then, I suppose Romney's comment was bashing. But seriously, it's pretty mild stuff compared what one can find in European media. Bush is routinely compared to Hitler, etc. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #5.1 - 2007-12-16 20:18 - (Reply)
No, Bush is not routinely compared to Hitler. Comments ()
Don S
- #5.1.1 - 2007-12-18 19:57 - (Reply)
You don't have to look far, Joerg. Just look for statements about the death penalty, eh? Comments ()
John Birch reloaded
- #5.2 - 2007-12-18 20:24 - (Reply)
"Fluoridated water wasn't a commie plot" Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #6 - 2007-12-18 00:51 - (Reply)
@Joerg: You are correct, Germany does a much better job at speaking out against this sort of comparison than elsewhere in Europe. Comments ()
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