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Tuesday, October 2. 2007Friedman: "9/11 Is Over"Posted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations, US Domestic and Cultural Issues on Tuesday, October 2. 2007 The most linked article in the blogosphere is currently Thomas Friedman's New York Times column "9/11 Is Over," which can be accessed for free now. 9/11 has made us stupid. I honor, and weep for, all those murdered on that day. But our reaction to 9/11 mine included has knocked America completely out of balance, and it is time to get things right again.Many arguments are similar to those Friedman made more than two years ago, see Atlantic Review post Europeans want "their" America back.
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SC
- #1 - 2007-10-02 16:37 - (Reply)
Well, I chuckled when I read Friedman's piece the other day; vintage Friedman. Comments ()
Sue
- #1.1 - 2007-10-02 21:54 - (Reply)
Friedman: "If Disney World can remain an open, welcoming place, with increased but invisible security, why can’t America?" Comments ()
Don S
- #1.1.1 - 2007-10-02 22:35 - (Reply)
I beg leave to disagree, Sue. Friedman is an excellent writer, but sometimes his eminent position as NY Times commentator (and probably the best one at that) leads him to write stupid things because he has to produce brilliance on demand weekly. Comments ()
SC
- #1.1.2 - 2007-10-03 21:00 - (Reply)
Sue, Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #1.2 - 2007-10-03 00:23 - (Reply)
@ SC Comments ()
SC
- #1.2.1 - 2007-10-03 17:51 - (Reply)
Joerg, Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2 - 2007-10-02 17:29 - (Reply)
So he's demanding a new hospital in Miami Beach for all the Cuban immigrants? Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #3 - 2007-10-02 17:37 - (Reply)
David A. Bell, a professor of history at Johns Hopkins University, asks in the Los Angeles Times: "Was 9/11 really that bad?" His answer: "The attacks were a horrible act of mass murder, but history says we're overreacting:" Comments ()
Elisabeth Bathory
- #4 - 2007-10-02 18:08 - (Reply)
Joerg, are you trying to stimulate conversation by being outrageous? Who is David Bell? Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #5 - 2007-10-02 18:22 - (Reply)
Professor of history at Johns Hopkins University. See link. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #6 - 2007-10-02 18:38 - (Reply)
Only two soldiers, on both sides, were killed when the Confederacy seized Ft. Sumter in Charleston harbor leading to the Civil War. Only 2,388 civilians and servicemen were killed at Pearl Harbor at the onset of America joining WWII. Both must be examples of America "overreacting" compared to the casualties to come? Comments ()
Elisabeth Bathory
- #7 - 2007-10-02 18:39 - (Reply)
The point was the man is a non-entity as a public intellectual. Never heard of him. I followed the link and saw he is a contributor to the New Republic, which firmly marks his politics. It is common practice in American academic circles to take a radical stand against the perceived consenual opinion of the day to market oneself. Once you have a Ph.D, Joerg, you fight against hundreds of qualified applicants from a global talent pool for advancement and this struggle continues until you achieve your sinecure. There is no gradual professorial advancement of habilitation and professional acclimitatization. Makes for crazy stuff at times; there are more books published on great American politicans who may or may not have been a bender than I care to think of. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #7.1 - 2007-10-03 00:14 - (Reply)
I am not a fan of Friedman either, but I think he is good in capturing certain trends among some groups in the US. Comments ()
Elisabeth Bathory
- #7.1.1 - 2007-10-03 01:15 - (Reply)
Joerg, Friedman has not been a mainstream commentator since 2004 when what once was a sane if opinated view-point morphed into a sadistic orgy of national self-flagellation—his artistic approximation of war facts and his continued use of tired democratic talking points eroded whatever credibility he might have had. Sadly since from Beirut to Jerusalem is a great primer for the complexities and insoluble hatreds of our beloved Middle East. Joerg-- Friedman is not an intellectual; he is a pundit. He gives good copy and is somewhat eloquent for the CNN/PBS roundtables. That’s a little snarky perhaps, but really how pedestrian was the whole world is flat shtick? It is an interesting working thesis, considering the huge number of global prerequisites that would have to taken place before this world of free competition was birthed. Comments ()
David
- #7.1.1.1 - 2007-10-03 01:33 - (Reply)
"Only the remaining NYT readers and foreigners care" Comments ()
Elisabeth Bathory
- #7.1.1.1.1 - 2007-10-03 01:41 - (Reply)
Check the numbers, David, pre-Pinch and currently. If Pinch, didnt have a golden share option the institutional investors would have taken the company away from him. The demise of 'Times select' ring a bell. By any objective measure, the NYT is a ghost of its former self and I greatly resent the fact that Pinch ran into the ground my home paper. Comments ()
Mr. Bingley
- #7.1.1.1.2 - 2007-10-03 15:28 - (Reply)
If Bush at 27% or so shows just how incompetent he is, what does the 18% approval rating for the Democrat-controlled Congress say for them? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #7.1.1.1.2.1 - 2007-10-03 17:56 - (Reply)
Since the WSJ and USA Today have substantially more subscribers than the NYT then by David's reasoning we should only rely on them for our news. Comments ()
influx
- #7.2 - 2007-10-03 12:39 - (Reply)
Also curious about the Achmed comment. Where did you get that? Housewives in Germany are afraid to go shopping? That's just nonsense. If you have to make up stuff like that, it doesn't shed too bright a light on the rest of the things you have to say. Comments ()
Elisabeth Bathory
- #7.2.1 - 2007-10-03 16:26 - (Reply)
Influx--I did not say that Germans were afraid of Achmed on the corner. What I said was that the Pitzkes of the world at one time attempted to portray the American public as traumatized and security-obsessed to the point where they would alter their routines to avoid any contact with Muslims. They stopped the characterization when Iraq happened, but I found it curious. Comments ()
influx
- #7.2.1.1 - 2007-10-03 17:05 - (Reply)
You're right, I misread your comment, my bad. I am still curious why you chose to lump together Der Spiegel and the FAZ. Did they both print articles suggesting that US Americans are scared of Muslims, to the point where they are afraid of leaving their houses? Comments ()
Elisabeth Bathory
- #7.2.1.1.1 - 2007-10-03 18:57 - (Reply)
Influx- there were not articles expressly addressing the topic, but for a period of 18th months before the brou-haa at the SC and Schroeder’s grandstanding filled the headlines. I remember FAZ because previously I had always held it in high regard and felt really miffed at their degeneracy into yellow journalism. Now an NZZ man Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #8 - 2007-10-02 20:42 - (Reply)
I note that Friedman fails to address what to do with the likes of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and Ramzi bin Al Shibh. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #8.1 - 2007-10-03 00:15 - (Reply)
"“their” America was one of the casualties of 9/11." Comments ()
VinceTN
- #8.1.1 - 2007-10-03 04:27 - (Reply)
A new America that takes the killing to their countries? That has thrown a wrench into all the decadent incompetent machinery of the UN/EU? No. Terrorists didn't win. There can be more than one loser in all this. Lets say the terrorists and the socialists(fey communists) have both lost in the face of a much more awakened America. America has lost a past sense of well being but you can't have everything. Not in this bitter and psychotic world, anyway. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #8.1.2 - 2007-10-03 04:45 - (Reply)
LOL The Japanese delivered a similar paradigm shift at Pearl Harbor, do you think they won? Comments ()
Don S
- #8.1.3 - 2007-10-03 13:56 - (Reply)
"Doesn't that mean that the terrorists won?" Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9 - 2007-10-03 14:36 - (Reply)
Juan Cole's point is similar to mine: Comments ()
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- #10 - 2007-10-03 16:44 - (Reply)
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