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Sunday, August 26. 2007Tagesspiegel's Photo of President BushPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Sunday, August 26. 2007
The US and German press criticized President Bush's speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. The Berlin newspaper "Der Tagesspiegel" has put the following picture on its frontpage. The title "Gestörte Wahrnehmung" means "Disturbed perception."
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David
- #1 - 2007-08-26 16:49 - (Reply)
I would translate as "disturbed perception", and in no way is it anti-American. According to every poll in the US, the vast majority of Americans disapprove of Bush, the Iraq War, and especially Bush's handling of the war. Besides, the Tagesspiegel put the headline as a question, as if it had not already been decided that President Bush has a "disturbed perception" of foriegn affairs and history. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #1.1 - 2007-08-26 17:15 - (Reply)
Thanks for the translation. I have changed the post accordingly. Comments ()
RayD
- #2 - 2007-08-26 17:02 - (Reply)
I'm sure if they did the same photo with Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama - David would also have no objection. After all - it's in the form of a question...right? Comments ()
David
- #2.1 - 2007-08-26 21:34 - (Reply)
"I'm sure if they did the same photo with Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama - David would also have no objection" Comments ()
Jared
- #3 - 2007-08-26 20:19 - (Reply)
It's all too true that bush has an altered vision of reality. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #4 - 2007-08-26 21:08 - (Reply)
And luckily for America we have a limited form of democracy called a republic which limits the passions of the mob as well as the actions of the government. Comments ()
David
- #4.1 - 2007-08-27 03:45 - (Reply)
"passions of the mob" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #4.1.1 - 2007-08-27 04:05 - (Reply)
"Dear Leader?" I thought the topic was President Bush not President Franklin Roosevelt. But Madison, among many others, spoke of the United States as a republic not a democracy and hopefully strong enough to resist what they called factions. Comments ()
mike
- #5 - 2007-08-26 23:20 - (Reply)
This is a shame. I don't know for how long I can continue to live in this country. At least the will I have already lost. Comments ()
just me
- #6 - 2007-08-27 01:42 - (Reply)
This is nothing more but the violation of one of the fundamental principles of journalism in democracy: the separation of news and comment (opinion). Comments ()
Zyme
- #7 - 2007-08-27 08:43 - (Reply)
Media is including comments in the news all the time here. This is nothing new but a traditional way of reporting. So anglo-saxon media does not comment? Come on... Comments ()
Fuchur
- #8 - 2007-08-27 11:25 - (Reply)
Ah, that reminds me of Jon Stewart's great take on "the growing use of question marks on 24 hour news channels": Comments ()
Fuchur
- #9 - 2007-08-27 15:13 - (Reply)
RayD has provided the links to the two articles accompanying the photo. Sadly, in another low-point in the history of Medienkritik, he completely distorts their content... Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.1 - 2007-08-27 21:25 - (Reply)
Fuchur is, of course, right about the Tagesspiegel commentary by Clemens Wergin, who is one of the most Bush policy friendly commentators you will find in Germany. Comments ()
RayD
- #9.1.1 - 2007-08-27 22:51 - (Reply)
@ Joerg, Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.1.1.1 - 2007-08-27 23:08 - (Reply)
Yes, I don't want to make too much out of this photo. Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2 - 2007-08-27 22:48 - (Reply)
How have I distorted the two articles? They don't offer readers perspective on the two sides of the debate in the USA - and that was my point. One is a lifeless report of the speech that mentions its content and the criticisms leveled afterwords. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.2.1 - 2007-08-27 22:55 - (Reply)
To put a PHOTO of the winner wrapped in the US flag (rather than just with his medal) on the FRONTPAGE is a bit more than "just reporting who won." Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.2.2 - 2007-08-27 22:57 - (Reply)
You sometimes criticize the German press for focusing on negative US stories. Well, here you have a positive one. Something to improve the US image. Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2.2.1 - 2007-08-27 23:00 - (Reply)
How does this improve the image of the US? This is just a guy who won a race who happens to be from the US. They could have shown the winner had he been from China or Jamaica. It just so happens an American won this time. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.2.2.1.1 - 2007-08-27 23:28 - (Reply)
"How does this improve the image of the US?" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #9.2.2.1.1.1 - 2007-08-28 01:05 - (Reply)
And it should be noted that before the quote above was uttered candidate Bush said, "The first question is what's in the best interest of the United States?" And then almost exactly 11 months later the niceties of campaign speechs vanished in the smoke of the WTC and the Pentagon. Humble didn't work. Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.2.2.1.1.1.1 - 2007-08-28 01:20 - (Reply)
"what's in the best interest of the United States?" Comments ()
influx
- #9.2.3 - 2007-08-28 01:38 - (Reply)
[i]How have I distorted the two articles? They don't offer readers perspective on the two sides of the debate in the USA - and that was my point.(...) Whether Wergin agrees with Bush is also debatable.[/i] Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2.3.1 - 2007-08-28 03:44 - (Reply)
@ influx: Comments ()
David
- #9.2.3.1.1 - 2007-08-28 04:39 - (Reply)
RayD, Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #9.2.3.1.1.1 - 2007-08-28 04:44 - (Reply)
And just as stupidly and off-topic I can recommend this site for you! Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2.3.1.1.2 - 2007-08-28 13:37 - (Reply)
That is the last argument of someone who has no argument. I guess you don't have a right to an opinion unless you join the military. So if you support intervention in Darfur or Bosnia - do you now have to join the military in your book? Comments ()
David
- #9.2.3.1.1.2.1 - 2007-08-29 02:10 - (Reply)
Why not you? You are eager to see more young Americans sent into the sectarian violence. How do you explain your hypocrisy (or cowardice)? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #9.2.3.1.1.2.1.1 - 2007-08-29 04:39 - (Reply)
So if RayD has been to four funerals does that mean he has more moral authority to his point of view? Or is that simply another weak counterstroke that hits the net? Comments ()
Fuchur
- #9.2.4 - 2007-08-28 13:50 - (Reply)
@Ray Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2.4.1 - 2007-08-28 18:09 - (Reply)
@ Fuchur Comments ()
Fuchur
- #9.2.4.1.1 - 2007-08-29 01:17 - (Reply)
[i]Nowhere does Wergin endorse the surge or give readers a greater understanding of the debate currently underway in the United States.[/i] Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2.4.1.1.1 - 2007-08-29 18:04 - (Reply)
@ fuchur: Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.2.4.1.1.1.1 - 2007-08-29 20:47 - (Reply)
Ray you have not correctly translated Wergin. You missed the "indirekte Rede." He is not stating his opinion, but describing other peoples opinion. Comments ()
RayD
- #9.2.4.1.1.1.1.1 - 2007-08-29 21:44 - (Reply)
@ Joerg, Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #9.2.4.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2007-08-29 21:54 - (Reply)
Wergin's comment was on the back cover or whatever the correct term is. Quite prominently displayed. Comments ()
RayD
- #10 - 2007-08-28 01:32 - (Reply)
Sorry Joerg, Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #10.1 - 2007-08-28 01:38 - (Reply)
If I remember correctly, Markovits writes that a lot of Anti-Americanism results from the US being the only superpower and having an interventionist foreign policy, I think he even made specific reference to the Iraq. There would be less cowboy covers, if the US had not invaded Iraq. Something like that. Comments ()
Don S
- #10.1.1 - 2007-08-29 14:34 - (Reply)
"There would be less cowboy covers, if the US had not invaded Iraq. Something like that." Comments ()
Don S
- #11 - 2007-08-29 14:36 - (Reply)
BTW, the dead fish at the very top of the picture seems to be blushing. Is this because "Der Tagesspiegel" is a publication a dead fish would be ashamed to be wrapped in (or printed on)? ;) Comments ()
ADMIN
- #12 - 2007-08-29 20:48 - (Reply)
Please note that by default the comments in this blog are threaded rather than linear, i.e. some of the latest responses to comments are not at the bottom, but in the middle of the thread right behind the comment they respond to. Comments ()
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