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Tuesday, July 24. 2007Afghanistan: Germany's Role in Operation Enduring FreedomPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Tuesday, July 24. 2007
61% of Germans believe it is time to pull out of Afghanistan. This sentiment is not limited to the political left, but shared across the political spectrum: Even 55% of Christian Democrat voters want the Bundeswehr to pull out.
The German government is not (yet) contemplating a full withdrawal from Afghanistan, but is committed to stay the course with ISAF. Though, some Social Democrats do not want to renew the Afghanistan mandate for Operation Enduring Freedom in September. At Atlantic Community, a German parliamentarian and a blogger from Texas express two different opinions on the German debate on Afghanistan. Niels Annen, a young member of the Bundestag and a rising star in the SPD, questions Germany's continued involvement in Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF): Though the necessity of a military component in Afghanistan remains undisputed, both operations [ISAF and OEF] now seem increasingly incompatible. The [OEF] mandate’s legitimacy is in question: how long does the right of self-defense remain legitimate? The affiliation of ISAF and OEF-troops is becoming increasingly ambiguous, and not only for the Afghan population. Reports of uncoordinated military action among troops in Afghanistan are on the rise, and the coordination of command between the two operations is growing more difficult.George Roper from Texas argues that If Germany expects US help in the future, it must stay the course in Afghanistan now. The Bundeswehr should carry its share of the coalition burden without complaint as part of OEF. (...) Comments
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Greg
- #1 - 2007-07-24 23:43 - (Reply)
Too much John Edwards, perhaps. The War on Terror is but a bumper-sticker. Why send troops to fight another of "George Bush's wars"? Etc. etc. Comments ()
Zyme
- #2 - 2007-07-25 11:43 - (Reply)
First I find it always difficult to comment on the way the Afghanistan riddle can be solved because I have no practical insight into the real situation there. I guess only the forces there and our governments do have that insight. So I have no real idea whether the american or the german approach is more effective. Comments ()
Greg
- #3 - 2007-07-25 15:31 - (Reply)
What's important to the arabian world needs to change. Sympathy for al qaeda is high. That doesn't mean we should cater to that sympathy. The West needs to convince them that that sympathy is against their own interests. Comments ()
Leftclick
- #4 - 2007-07-25 16:32 - (Reply)
America isn't only losing in Iraq but also in Afghanistan unless it stops the appeasement of the terrorist hide-out #1: Pakistan! None of Afghanistans neighbors wishes foreign troops there, even the Afghans don't. So what can you expect from a country so unstable and so vulnerable against foreign interference? Comments ()
pen Name
- #5 - 2007-07-26 04:41 - (Reply)
30 years ago, before the Jacobin virus got to Afghanistan, people I knew traveled there from Iran. It was a hyper-provincial, hyper-conservative version of Iran. And it was safe and peaceful. Comments ()
Fuchur
- #6 - 2007-07-26 15:18 - (Reply)
re: GM Roper Comments ()
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #6.1 - 2007-07-26 22:47 - (Reply)
I understand your frustration (?) with Annen. Comments ()
Axel
- #6.1.1 - 2007-07-27 03:15 - (Reply)
The whole issue is far more complicated than described by Roper or Annen. Seems to me that especially Roper didn't get the logic and the red herring behind the actual political maneuvers of some German politicians. Comments ()
GM Roper
- #6.1.1.1 - 2007-07-27 16:46 - (Reply)
Axel, that is an EXCELLENT report on the complicated issue in Afghanistan. And you are correct, not living in Germany, nor having a native grasp of the language, and being more involved in the political machinations in the US, I do not have a solid grasp of the issues from a German perspective, or perhaps from an internationalist perspective. On the other hand, Joerg Wolfe asked me to write a brief (fewer than 600 words) essay as to why I thought Germany belonged in Afghanistan and to do it quickly. I do know however, that America has spent treasure and lives in trying to bring freedom to many parts of the world only to see some individuals from those parts spit on the American flag, call us imperialists and otherwise denigrate the United States and that pisses me off, and may ultimately give the isolationists in this country more power. If that happens, the sole super-power in the world will be neutered and the world may well be at risk for increased tyranny. Are we the world's police? No, nor do we want to be, but it damn sure would be nice for a few others to step up to the plate without the second guessing, without the political crap and with a simple political goal: Never Again! Can that be a bad thing? Comments ()
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