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According to Think Progress, General Petraeus claimed in June 2007 that the U.S. is being perceived as "liberators" once again in Iraq, this time freeing Iraqis from the bloody civil war instigated as a result of the U.S. occupation.

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Greg on :

this time freeing Iraqis from the bloody civil war instigated as a result of the U.S. occupation Last week, someone asked for proof that the US effort in Iraq is vilified by Europeans. Here's a common example. The US has worked to bring reconciliation, and it was starting to work when al Qaeda first bombed the golden dome. Ethnic strife in Iraq goes way back. Saddam's glorious dictatorship, the one most of the world now thinks was "better" than the current situation, was all about genocide and domination of Shia & Kurds. Now, al Qaeda and Iran are the one's "instigating" bloody civil war. Not the US. I'm sure there are plenty of Iraqis who see it this way. In fact, I seem to remember a poll of Iraqis that bore this out. They don't all hate the US. For many Iraqis, the US is the only standing b/w them and death.

pen Name on :

iran is supporting the legally constituted & legitimaty & democratically elected Government of Iraq. Sunni insurgents object to Iraq being run by Shi'ite religious parties, which they see as installed by the Americans, loyal to Iran, and wanting to define Iraq in a way that excludes the Sunnis. Sunni fundamentalists consider the Shi'ites apostates who deserve death, not power. The Shi'ites believe that their democratic majority and their historical suffering under the Ba'athist dictatorship entitle them to rule. They are not inclined to compromise with Sunnis, whom they see as their long-standing oppressors, especially when they believe most Iraqi Sunnis are sympathetic to the suicide bombers that have killed thousands of ordinary Shi'ites. The differences are fundamental and cannot be papered over by sharing oil revenues, re-employing ex-Ba'athists, or revising the constitution. The war is not about those things. The War will go on. Iran has chosen to support the legitimate government of Iraq. Your statement regatding "Iran instigating civil war" is an excellent example of American lies. You lied to the world (WMD in Iraq, Niger Uranium) and got UK to join you in your lies. And now you have even started believing your own lies. This is another one of those lies in reagrds to Iran. Accept that your neo-colonial project of creating a client state in the heart of Islam has failed and get out while the going is good.

Anonymous on :

"Accept that your neo-colonial project of creating a client state in the heart of Islam has failed and get out while the going is good." You first! Talk about "lies" and believing them - those Iranian-made explosives didn't get into Iraq by magic. But, hey, at least you admit the sunni & shia wanted to kill each other before the US arrived. Can't ask for everything in this world.

pen Name on :

We did not starve the Iraqi children and cause them to die in 1990s; you did. We did not destory the Iraqi State, you did. We do not have a neo-colonial policy; we are supporting the most democratic government that Iraq has ever had.

Pat Patterson on :

Probably better to follow the link to the Times Online interview which is considerably longer. And as some would dearly like full of nuance and caveats.

Pat Patterson on :

Plus just today Times Online published an article that claims that some members of Al Qaeda in Iraq are informing on other members of the same group. Which I would take as good news! Something like the IRA and the Provos. But I doubt if Think Progress will link to this particular article. [url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article2121006.ece[/url]

Zyme on :

I honestly don´t understand why the american forces remain in Iraq. I know what might happen when they leave, but this will happen no matter whether they leave today or in 5 years. Why are they still there? It reminds me of the Daimler-Chrysler deal. Sounded like a good idea for Daimler-Benz back then in the 1990s. And why not? It was worth a try. Could have worked. But once you see that the whole thing is drowning your economical capabilities (as Iraq does with the american foreign political capabilities), then hell - get the rid of it!

Joerg - Atlantic Review on :

@ Greg "Last week, someone asked for proof that the US effort in Iraq is vilified by Europeans. Here's a common example." Hey, I was just quoting the US blog Think Progress. I did not express an opinion on General Petraeus statement. Here's my opinion: Some Iraqis might perceive the US as liberators now, but I doubt whether many Iraqis really think that the US is going to liberate them from the civil war. I convinced that many Iraqis *hope* that the US would end the civil war and liberate them, but I doubt whether they have much faith in the US. Thus, I believe the US is not (yet) seen as liberators by many Iraqis. But hey, I don't know what most Iraqis think. My guess is as bad as those of the next guy down the street.

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