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Transatlantic ObsessionsPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Thursday, May 31. 2007
Europeans and Americans should mind their own business. That's the main thesis of watchblogs for Anti-Americanism and French-bashing.
Blogs like Davids Medienkritik complain that the German media is obsessed with America's real and imagined wrongdoings, while blogs like SuperFrenchie complain about the American media's obsession with France's domestic politics. So, I guess, it is time to acknowledge that both Europeans and Americans have their obsessions about their distant relatives on the other side of the Atlantic. Prejudices and unfair reporting is not unique to one side, as some people sometimes seem to claim. It is not rocket science to come to this conclusion, but I guess it serves as a good reminder. Still, it remains weird and unfortunate that the German media is soo obsessed with the United States and that the US media is soo obsessed with France. Both country's media outlets would do good to reduce the obsessions on some silly topics and cover more important issues like poverty in our own countries and around the world, wars and conflicts in Africa, how to increase energy efficiency etc. Two relevant quotes from the watchblogs: Flocon asks in SuperFrenchie: "Will you please mind your own business?" The recent presidential elections in France have been a renewed opportunity for most of the American MSM to display a permanent feature that is to be found in many articles reporting on our country: an obsession which translates into an incessant set of criticisms about how France is run, particularly its economy. Above all, the 35-hour workweek, the 5-week paid vacation and the free and high-quality healthcare and educational systems seem to be particularly unbearable to those many journalists, columnists and reporters who also seem to have trouble understanding why the labor market is regulated, why workers are entitled to social rights and protections, and even sometimes are allowed to go on strike.Likewise, Ray D. has listed some "Pet issues common in German media coverage of the United States" in Davids Medienkritik: # Perceived American religiosity.I do not fully understand the irrational obsessions with the US and France. I sort of know why it is popular, but I do not fully understand the feelings. Besides, I also do not fully understand why soo many Americans and French are interested in reading about the latest Anti-American headline or the latest French-bashing comment every single day. No, I am not envious of the huge readership of Medienkritik and SuperFrenchie, but I simply fail to fully understand the huge interest into such single topics. Anti-Americanism and French bashing are pretty boring to me: The same magazines and the same politicians make the same stupid statements. Why do I want to read about (more or less) the same stuff every single day? Welcome! You are reading the ATLANTIC REVIEW -- a Press Digest on Transatlantic Relations combined with commentary and analysis by four young professionals from Germany, the Netherlands and the United States. More about us. The horizontal menu bar at the top helps to navigate this site. Subscribe to one of our RSS-Feeds or to our newsletter, which is emailed twice per month.
Flocon
- #1 - 2007-05-31 12:39 - (Reply)
Since you're kind enough to quote me I guess I have to answer...
JW-Atlantic Review
- #1.1 - 2007-05-31 12:56 - (Reply)
Thanks, Flocon, I got your point.
marteenm
- #1.1.1 - 2007-05-31 20:27 - (Reply)
It is so frustrating when someone puts too much emphasis on relativism. Just because American-bashing and French-bashing are seen on both sides of the Atlantic, does not mean that they are equal (or remotely so). As an American, I pay far more attention to the happenings in Europe than the average American (it is partly due to my job). And I can tell you that there is no obsession (none whatsoever) with France. (Note: By obsession I mean regular [daily or weekly] reports on negative occurrences in Europe in the national media). Take two huge incidents as examples: The '03 heat wave and the '05 riots in France. Both got minor play in the media for roughly 3-weeks in the US media. Then, after it was well established that these were indeed news worthy stories, did the US media play them up. And yes, there was some criticism and schadenfreude in the US coverage. But to compare that coverage with the French and German media coverage of US happenings like Katrina, LA riots, and Abu Grab (to name only a few) is at best ignorant and at worst disingenuous.
JW-Atlantic Review
- #1.1.1.1 - 2007-05-31 20:39 - (Reply)
"Ray, in the pervious post, points out that to compare minor blogs (minor in terms of readership) like Medienkritik to major news publications like SPIEGEL, STERN, SZ, or Le Monde is a prime example of not being able to see the stark difference in the scale of criticism"
Anonymous
- #1.1.1.1.1 - 2007-05-31 21:46 - (Reply)
>Where did I make such a comparison?
JW-Atlantic Review
- #1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2007-05-31 22:47 - (Reply)
Yes, this attitude is quite common. Perhaps I should have take that into consideration and stated very clearly and explicitely that I am not calling it even.
Don S
- #1.2 - 2007-05-31 18:10 - (Reply)
I don't agree that US media is obsessed with France unless one count Non Parasan as 'US media'.
alec
- #1.3 - 2007-06-01 03:37 - (Reply)
I'll throw in my reason: a lot of poorly informed people, journalists included, think that there's a lot to the French/American dichotomy. I.e. the people (philosophical cheese eating surrendeer monkeys vs hyper-capitalist/consumerist naive bible thumpers), the history, the philosophy, the politics, et. al.
Mary Ellen
- #2 - 2007-05-31 17:26 - (Reply)
Flocon asks in SuperFrenchie: "Will you please mind your own business?"
Flocon
- #2.1 - 2007-05-31 21:31 - (Reply)
Hmmm... the welcome committee has come before I return...
Mary Ellen
- #2.1.1 - 2007-05-31 23:16 - (Reply)
Now, now, Flocon, don't get yourself all in a tizzy. I know how sensitive you are to being called anti-American, even when you prove my statement correct in almost every post that you write. You are correct, I don't read French or German so it isn't easy to find out the pulse of what ALL French or Germans say. In fact, the majority of French and Germans that I have met have been very nice and not the least bit anti-American. My comment referred directly to you and your views.
RayD
- #3 - 2007-05-31 18:22 - (Reply)
Hi Joerg,
JW-Atlantic Review
- #3.1 - 2007-05-31 23:16 - (Reply)
Thanks for the response. QUOTE Katzenstein/Keohane: "Perhaps the most puzzling thing about anti-Americanism is that we Americans seem to care so much about it." http://atlanticreview.org/archives/468-Anti-Americanisms-in-World-Politics.html Another example: http://atlanticreview.org/archives/668-Four-Myths-About-Transatlantic-Relations.html Besides, ever since 9/11 there has been a huge number of articles about "Why do they hate us?" Most MSM articles did not clearly define "they" and "hate"? If someone does not like US policies, then he might be considered to hate American citizens. If a foreigner disagrees with the statement "The United States is the best country in the universe" then he is considered to hate the United States. There seems to be a lot of narcissism. Example: Neil Ferguson's article "Why our enemies -- and friends -- hate us" http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-oe-ferguson26feb26,1,1432880.column?coll=la-news-columns&ctrack=1&cset=true Unfortunately, the editors could not resist the sensationalist and stupid headline. This is sensationalist fear-mongering, because he does not write anything about hatred of Americans in his answer. He writes that one in two Iranians views the US "unfavorably", that many Jordanians, Saudis and Pakistanis have a "negative view of the US," and that Tony Blair and Romano Prodi have trouble supporting US policies. He does not write anything about hatred of Americans. Ferguson and quite a few American columnists and pundits seem to be very narcissistic, because they seem to believe that everybody, who does not adore US foreign policy and does not express love for Americans, must hate Americans. They see only two modes: 'You either love us or you hate us.' Of course, this is just a problem of pundits and the media. Ordinary Americans are not narcisstic and they don't ask stupid questions. They differentiate much more than the media and pundits. Last example is the "Blame America last argument": US politicians have noble intentions but these stupid Iraqis just don't appreciate the freedoms the US made possible: http://atlanticreview.org/archives/519-The-Blame-America-Last-Argument.html
bernarda
- #4 - 2007-05-31 21:56 - (Reply)
Speaking as an American, I find the "pet issues" in German media to be exactly right. They reflect the same opinions I have had since Herr Bush became head honcho. I refuse to call that crook and war criminal "president".
JW-Atlantic Review
- #4.1 - 2007-05-31 22:51 - (Reply)
Interesting video.
mbast
- #5 - 2007-05-31 22:20 - (Reply)
Very interesting and relevant post, this, Joerg. I agree that the respective "bashing" of another nation, be it America, France or Germany seems to hold a rather morbid fascination for most people. In part I think it is due to extreme righteousness. The German term is "Rechthaberei", which as far as I'm concerned, hits the nail on the head.
David
- #5.1 - 2007-05-31 22:54 - (Reply)
@mbast,
mbast
- #5.1.1 - 2007-05-31 23:03 - (Reply)
Well, if you don't like Medienkritik (I don't know that page too well, so I'll reserve judgment on it), there are plenty of other blogs to go around. Try Superfrenchie, try this blog, you've got an endless supply.
RayD
- #5.1.2 - 2007-06-01 02:59 - (Reply)
@ David,
JW-Atlantic Review
- #5.2 - 2007-05-31 23:30 - (Reply)
@mbast
ms. miami
- #5.2.1 - 2007-05-31 23:55 - (Reply)
jw- regarding the majority/minority view issue, i think that the one-sidedness only occurs with particular topics on superfrenchie (sorry, i'm not yet familiar with medienkritik, but will check it out).
mbastian
- #5.2.2 - 2007-06-01 00:32 - (Reply)
In Star Trek they also have a global economy that runs without money. Now wouldn't that solve a few problems ;-). Plus they have Klingons, which have to be the coolest alien race ever imagined ;-). But I digress ...
Zyme
- #5.3 - 2007-06-01 22:12 - (Reply)
I never understood why there is no forum/blog which includes people interested in strategical politics from all continents. Is there such?
WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS
- #6 - 2007-06-01 00:42 - (Reply)
The American obsession with France and its post WWII 'anti-americanism' results largely from the WASP ascendancy prior to 1968, when American culture was formulated. From the 1870s economic boom until WW I, the ruling classes, including the upper middle class, were infatuated with French culture and language. Matriculating to Harvard during this period required a proficiency in Greek, Latin and French. The latent Republicanism of the Second Empire and second/third Republic allowed a degree of social mobility for Americans abroad that only the very rich could experience in the British Empire. As one of Saki's imperious Aunts noted: 'Brittany. All those Americans attempting to speak French, I hope they never try English'. During this period, we had Mary Cassatt, the lost Generation geniuses, the regiment LaFayette and more; in addition, the people of France reciprocated with the Statute of Liberty mostly paid for by private subscription.
Anonymous
- #7 - 2007-06-01 01:02 - (Reply)
You can look at how President Bush interacts with the French language and how the Kerry campaign attempted to use it in 2004. Bush memorably snapped at an American reporter in Paris, I think, for asking a question in French to President Chirac. It made the Daily Show and other tv shows of similar type. They missed the point. It was not an attempt on Bush's part to punish and embarass some report to draw attention away from his own linguistic inaptitude, English included. It was a knee-jerk reaction to what seemed to him an attempt to portray him as WASP elite, not the brush-clearing, tobaccy-chewing dirt farmer from west Texas he wants to be.
antonymous
- #8 - 2007-06-04 18:21 - (Reply)
Another sorry article by pouting US-Americans who just don't want to understand. "Davids Medienkritik" is a marginal hateblog connected with some German neo-fascists. The political scene is quite varied there, and reporting on the US is pretty accurate. Germany is quite definitely the most pro-US country in Europe.
Pat Patterson
- #8.1 - 2007-06-05 03:29 - (Reply)
The term anti-american goes much further back in US history than the appearance of the Red Scares of the late 40's and early 50's. Both of the early Ameican parties reguarly inveighed against immigrants as not being capable of becoming true Americans, ie., the Germans after the Revolution, then the Irish in the 1840's and later up to WWI practically any immigrant group. To use the phrase anti-American meant that a person or a group refused to assimilate American values and acted contrary to what the majority expected of citizens.
Nomad
- #9 - 2007-11-08 18:14 - (Reply)
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