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Ryanair Plans to Offer Transatlantic Flights for 10-12 Euros

The Times:
Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary promised £7 tickets to the US and Southwest Airlines, the American pioneer of no-frills travel, signalled its intention to start flying to the UK. The prospect of cheap flights from London to New York will revive memories of Freddie Laker’s ultimately doomed challenge to the flag carriers 30 years ago. However, liberalisation of air travel through last month’s “open skies” agreement promises to revolutionise transatlantic travel. Ryanair, Europe’s biggest low-cost carrier, yesterday unveiled plans to offer flights to Baltimore, Rhode Island and New York for as little as 10-12 euros each way, but the service is likely to face stiff competition.
Personal comment: If ticket prices indeed drop a lot, that would promote more transatlantic travels, personal exchanges and mutual understanding and might decrease Anti-Americanism and Euro-Bashing. More flights, however, would also be bad news for climate protection efforts.

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Zyme on :

Free travel certainly is a nice option, although I don´t know anyone who intends visiting the USA - oh well, now that the Alps are losing snow every year, how is the situation in Canada? Maybe we should put more effort into keeping inner european travel at a low cost which will speed up the economical networking, despite the ecological apocalypse phrophets...

Don S on :

It sounds like a good idea although I can't see how the airlines would recover fuel costs. Also remember that those one P tickets on Ryanair wind up costing £50-60 after all the taxes and airport fees are factored in. Even so this is a great step, particularly in the UK. To give you an example: I've been pricing flights to the US for next Christmas. from the UK the price is more than £500 (up from about £300 a few years ago). I also priced flights from Amsterdam and Paris, and found a United Airlines flight from Schilpol for £297 quid. One stop - at Heathrow airport (about 4 miles from where I live)! I I try to take the same flight from Heathrow directly the price is more than £600! I might wind up flying from Schilpol because I can get a cheap flight there from London (maybe £30) and cut more than £200 from my cost. Transatlantic flights from London Stansted, Luton, and Gatwick airports would be a major boon.

Zyme on :

*lol* Don, my goodness, these distortions are really laughable.

Zyme on :

Well actually it is no different here. I live some 100km from the next international airports, which sounds annoying at first. But then again I live right in the pentagon between Nuremberg, Leipzig, Prague, Linz and Munich. So there is always one airport with attractive prices to every destination :)

Don S on :

I'm trying to work out where that might be, Zyme. Near Bamberg perhaps?

Zyme on :

My goodness, Bamberg belongs to Franken, you have to be careful with such associations. I am from the Oberpfalz, a completely different tribe. You probably don´t know this, but Oberpfälzer usually are seriously offended when being called Franken. (And I guess it is also the other way around)

Don S on :

No offense intended, Zyme. I have some notion of German geography but by no means would I know where (or what) Oberpfälz or franken would be. I've wanted to visit Bamberg for some time because of a novel I read which was set there made it sound very beautiful. Also photos of a spectacular Rathaus set in the middle of a river.... I had the curious idea that Bamberg was northeast of Nurnberg and very close to the old West German border when in fact it's almost directly north of Nurnberg. The funny thing is that I had the right idea about the area you are in, only my ideas of where Bamberg is were wrong. Given the cities you listed I thought you had to be nestled in close to the old West German borders with East Germany and Czechoslovakia - and so you are.

Zyme on :

Well of course if you didn´t grow up here you won´t know anything about these tribes. The only thing I know of Franken and the Oberpfalz have in common would be that they have both been annexed by Bavaria in the early 19th century, when Napoleon awarded the bavarians for their alliance with France with the status of kingdom and additional territory. Franken is a primary wine region here, while in the Oberpfalz you will find a brewery in almost every small town. I guess this explains the difference :)

Don S on :

Would you satisfy my curiosity abvout something else, Zyme? Are Franken and Franconia the same region? My ancestors on the paternal side were supposed to have come from Franconia. The family farm was supposed to have been on the east German border less than a kilometre into West Germany. Could be my Great-great grandfather grew up not far from you.....

Zyme on :

Yes exactly, Franconia (latin) is the same as Franken (german). "The family farm was supposed to have been on the east German border less than a kilometre into West Germany." Well then you would have to tell me which german country was east of it. Was it Saxonia or Thuringia? If the first is the case, maybe it was near Hof? I remember when they built the Autobahn through my provincial area - and when it eventually was completed, it lead to Hof :) I think I have some relatives there as well, though just because an aunt married there.

Don S on :

I don't have specific information, Zyme. I heard this from a cousin on my father's side years ago. I am not in contact with my paternal relatives any more, unfortunately.

Don S on :

One of the best things about the recent transatlantic agreement on air travel is that it is going to bust up a cute little cartel in the UK, where only 4 airlines can fly transatlantic from Heathrow to the US, I think. Two British airlines and two American ones. This is one place where Europe has more competition than the UK does, and it is time that ended.

Bill L on :

Why should this change anything? Zyme is right. Euros don't want to come here. Except those who want to emmigrate. And Americans who don't have to aren't crashing the gates for Europe, either. Friends are friends, allies are allies, rivals are rivals, and enemies are enemies. What makes you think this is going to change that? Get a clue: the SU fell, so we don't have to put up with it anymore. By the way, when will Europe get around to paying it war debts? I really do think that you Euros have gotten away with it for so long that you have no idea what you've done. But you WILL find out.

Pat Patterson on :

Germany paid reparations after WWII in the form of lost territory up to the Oder-Neisse Line, dismantled factories and reparations labor performed by some 4,000,000 German citizens and POWs. One example of this was Ferry Porsche's incarceration, without trial by the French at Dijon, where he designed the 4CV for Renault. As of today the German government still has a fund of over a billion dollars set aside as pensions and medical expenses for Holocaust survivors. But Germany does not owe any more war reparations or debt, they even paid off claims from German insurance companies left over from the San Francisco Earthquake in 1906. Britain finally paid off its war debt in December of last year. Russia paid off its WWII and Cold War debts just last August due to high oil prices. According to the agreement negotiated in the late 50's France was given 20 years to pay off its debt and appears to have done so.

David on :

That's funny. I just walked down Fifth Avenue in NY City; it is teeming with tourists from Europe, German is heard nearly every block. And why not? The Euro is strong against the US$, so even expensive Manhattan is a bargain!

Sonja on :

"I really do think that you Euros have gotten away with it for so long that you have no idea what you've done. But you WILL find out." Now that sound threatening, Bill. I don't get what you mean, though. Would you like to elaborate?

Bill L on :

What? Is your imagination working overtime? Do you fear a mushroom cloud? RMOTFL! You think Germany is that important? You think nothing less could handle it? Typical. Duh, it doesn't take a rocket scientist: Transatlatic relations are in the trash. Done for. Kaput. End of story. Adversaries just exploit the priveledges you give to close friends. People who hate you and think you're bad should be kept at a distance where they can do less damage, no? I mean what did you expect? But you are sure grand Europe doesn't need us, so what's the problem? We aren't making a big blow of it so it doesn't become a politcal issue the two parties must disagree on. But just watch and see what's happening and continues happening over the next few years. Clue, oh enlightened ones: If you want people as friends, don't denigrate and demonize them to prop up your haughty egos.

Zyme on :

Hey almighty prophet, I could use your help in anticipating important developments. I have some investments running in medium sized german stock corporations that are mostly into exporting machinery - how much will their revenues increase over the next decade? Do you have any precise information or will you stick to the doomsday story until you are getting payed considerably? :)

Bill L on :

You play dodgeball. Well, Zyme, I agree with you. I don't see why the transatlantic relationship is something to try to save. Having a close relationship with Europe is like having one with a malignant narcissist. They just need someone to take a you-know-what on every so often. Then they feel better and think you should too. They need someone to cross and play the withholding game on. America is fed up with that and doesn't need to put up with it anymore because the SU is down. A relationship with a "friend" like that is just a stick to abuse you with. It's predation, not mutually beneficial, so to hail with it. The only party that gets anything out of it is the parasite. Why on earth would anyone want to preserve such a relationship as we have with Europe? Close relationships are for those you can trust. You don't give people who wish your downfall the privedges of a friend you trust within arm's length. So, I don't get what this blog is trying to do. Promote "understanding?" What's to understand? Europeans' attitude toward us couldn't be more clear. We get it. Please, we're not that stupid. A scold is a scold. All this blog does is say, "Well, yes a few Europeans do go too far, BUT...." My, how gracious and helpful. For this bone, we should gratefully fall upon our knees and repent being what we are. You seem so sure that we Americans should care about our relationship with Europe. Like this transatlantic relationship is valuable to us. Like WE get anything out of it. Like we need this constant pain in the ear. The last six years has been non-stop proof that we need nothing Europe has to offer. What? Advice? From people hostile to you who wish your downfall? I don't think that a wise place to get your advice. And you seem just as sure that Europe needs nothing from us. So, what's the fuss here about? I think you're just talking to hear yourselves talk, to pretend that you really believe all that stuff. Maybe if you repeat your mantras one billion times it'll all be true. You seem bent on imposing your fantasy about us on us. Bizarre. Now go get a life, start minding your own business, quit trying to rule America, and loose the obsession with America. Europe will never rule the world again. No, not even by using the past popes' techniques for ruling foreign nations with nothing but hot air. So, this "We'll-throw-a-temper-tantrum-if-you-don't-obey-us" act is getting old. What a come down for those whose vast empires spanned the globe so shortly ago. So come on, now that you haven't got the armies and navies to bully with, you've stooped to moral bullying like a shrill scold. Have some dignity and grow old with grace, please. :)

Zyme on :

Hello I was asking you to tell me something about economical developments and stop the doomsday channel. Could it be you want to increase your salary? It seems like we really have to pay you well, as right now you resemble a shareware program which keeps getting on your nerves with advertising popups until you pay for registration.

Pat Patterson on :

Buy stocks in GM as its extensive hookups with Chinese auto manufacturers will allow GM to build and import cars that will be well within the probable CAFE and pollutions standards of the next decade. Avoid India except for Mittal Steel Company. If I'm right we'll both be rich!

Bill L on :

No, look THIS way, Zyme. That game is the one on the adjacent court. Rule: "Player loses the point if he fails to return the ball."

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