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Perception of Germany in Israel (UPDATED)Posted by Joerg Wolf in German Politics, Transatlantic Relations on Saturday, September 2. 2006
Many American (and German) blogs are always very critical of (alleged) German policies and media reports related to Israel, Hezbollah, and Iran. So let's have a look of what a leading Israeli newspaper and Israel's Prime Minister recently opined and many US newspapers and "pro-Israeli blogs" ignored. The Jerusalem Post wrote on August 22, 2006 (As always, emphasis in bold was added):
In the face of Iran's race to obtain nuclear power, Israel signed a contract with Germany last month to buy two Dolphin-class submarines that will, according to foreign reports, provide superior second-strike nuclear capabilities, The Jerusalem Post has learned. (...) The contract signing was said to have come after a long dispute over the price and financing of the submarines. According to the details obtained by the Post, Israel will purchase the two Dolphins, manufactured by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG, for $1.27 billion, a third of which will be financed by the German government.And on August 24, the Jerusalem Post wrote that these submarines are an indication of "Germany's Transformation": Israelis will be able to sleep better once these impressive machines are slicing silently through the dangerous waters far from our shores. Added to the three other [German] submarines of their class already in service with the navy, the newcomers will greatly enhance the long-range capabilities of our increasingly formidable sea defenses. The first three vessels - the INS Dolphin, INS Leviatan and INS Tekuma, ushered into Haifa Bay in 1999 and 2000 - are significantly larger than Israel's 30-year-old Gal-class submarines, significantly more advanced and significantly better armed. These new additions, scheduled to arrive within two years, are even more so. (...)Israeli Prime Minister Olmert has asked Germany to send troops to South Lebanon, as Haaretz wrote on August 5, 2006: "I have informed [German] Chancellor Angela Merkel that we have absolutely no problem having German troops in South Lebanon," Olmert told the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung. "There is no other nation that Israel considers more of a friend that Germany... I would be very happy if Germany participated," he said. The German government has not ruled out sending troops to the Middle East but many citizens are uneasy about sending soldiers to the region. Those in Germany opposed to the deployment of German troops along the Israeli border say they fear it would hurt the feelings of Holocaust survivors and that the troops would find it difficult to be impartially and operate against Israel if necessary. But Olmert said he does not consider this to be problematic. "Why would German troops need to fire at Israelis for? They would be part of a force operating to defend Israel. There is no nation acting in a friendlier manner towards Israel than Germany," he said. The prime minister said Israel has asked of the U.S. many times to deploy its troops as part of the international peacekeeping force, but "we cannot force the U.S." he said.UPDATE: The Washington Post wrote about the submarine deal (HT: Hammer). The Dolphin submarine could be one of the best deterrents, Beaver [an independent defense analyst who used to work for Jane's Defense Weekly] said. The technology on the subs makes them undetectable and gives them defensive capabilities in the case of attack, he said. "They are very well-built, very well-prepared, lots of interesting equipment, one of the best conventional submarines available," Beaver said. "We are talking about a third string of deterrence capabilities."Also see this comment concerning the sale and arms control guidelines. Olaf Petersen, another commentator with some relevant background considers teh submarines useful for reconaissance, electronic warfare, conducting frogman missions, and special operations rather than nuclear deterrence. The Jerusalem Post now writes: Two new submarines which Israel would receive under a deal it signed with Germany last month, will only start being delivered in 2010, German government spokesman Thomas Steg said Friday. Steg added that the submarines would not be equipped to fire nuclear weapons. A German defense official said, however, that it was possible that Israel would make structural changes to the vessels upon delivery and would widen the missile launchers aboard, allowing for the installation of cruise missiles. According to foreign reports, Israel has cruise missiles that are capable of carrying nuclear warheads. (...) "The submarines will not... be built and equipped for the firing of nuclear weapons, but are designed for the conduct of conventional war," said Steg. Asked if Germany wanted assurances from Israel on that point, he said: "We have no mistrust and no suspicion toward our Israeli partner." Welcome! You are reading the ATLANTIC REVIEW -- a Press Digest on Transatlantic Relations combined with commentary and analysis by four young professionals from Germany, the Netherlands and the United States. More about us. The horizontal menu bar at the top helps to navigate this site. Subscribe to one of our RSS-Feeds or to our newsletter, which is emailed twice per month.Trackbacks
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Possum
- #1 - 2006-09-01 06:05 - (Reply)
How is the German government financing its third? Does the government own a third of the company and is foregoing payment of that third? Or is it contributing cash?
TheHammer
- #1.1 - 2006-09-01 08:48 - (Reply)
@ Possum, you "possierliches Tierchen"
JW-Atlantic Review
- #1.2 - 2006-09-01 09:24 - (Reply)
JW-Atlantic Review
- #1.3 - 2006-09-01 09:32 - (Reply)
Possum
- #1.3.1 - 2006-09-11 12:31 - (Reply)
Well then why did you select that line to quote? The implication is clear.
Olaf Petersen
- #2 - 2006-09-01 09:52 - (Reply)
One Equitiy has a stake of 25% in TKMS, maybe due to their 75% stake in HDW.
Bill
- #3 - 2006-09-01 17:10 - (Reply)
Although the German public and some political parties here (Die Linke/PDS, Die Grünen, Guido W. & die FDP) are very nervous about deploying German peacekeeping troops to Lebanon, I do continuously here from some political leaders that "Es geht an die Existenz Israels!". Rough translation for readers who need it "It's about the survival (existence) of Israel!". That is a profound statement and political stand taken by certain political leaders in Berlin and Bayern. Sorry about any grammatical errors I may have made...
Bill
- #4 - 2006-09-01 18:11 - (Reply)
This also just in (more breaking news)...
Olaf Petersen
- #5 - 2006-09-01 22:32 - (Reply)
Personally and in the light of Israel's military doctrine I refuse to consider the new German Type 212/214 submarines as Israel's "superior second-strike nuclear capabilities".
Submarine
- #6 - 2006-09-02 06:46 - (Reply)
I would like to add two comments:
Olaf Petersen
- #7 - 2006-09-02 08:31 - (Reply)
Reply to submarine: Of course these submarines could patrol the Arab sea and beyond, but: Israel's base for submarines is in Haifa - Eilat is only home of a little fleet of patrol boats. So unless Egypt allows these submarines to use the Suez Canal these ships had to sail around Africa to operate in the Arab Sea or to return from there for maintainance.
The Hammer
- #8 - 2006-09-02 08:39 - (Reply)
Adding to the sub and nuclear strike issue, this is from an August 25 WaPo article:
JW-Atlantic Review
- #8.1 - 2006-09-02 10:49 - (Reply)
@ Hammer
Olaf Petersen
- #9 - 2006-09-02 09:08 - (Reply)
@ The Hammer:
JW-Atlantic Review
- #9.1 - 2006-09-02 10:20 - (Reply)
@ Olaf
Olaf Petersen
- #11 - 2006-09-02 11:45 - (Reply)
JW, Beaver's reputation could easily underscore my side show theory. lol
JW-Atlantic Review
- #12 - 2006-09-02 13:56 - (Reply)
Some Israelis apparently don't appreciate certain US "support."
Judeophile
- #12.1 - 2006-09-05 02:33 - (Reply)
Why should it surprise you if a far-left Israeli hates the American right as much as he hates the Israeli right?
JW-Atlantic Review
- #12.1.1 - 2006-09-05 02:44 - (Reply)
Where do you see hatred in his article?
Don
- #12.1.1.1 - 2006-09-06 03:35 - (Reply)
Hatred? Not neccesarily. Frustration perhaps. It's a pretty safe bet that this fellow is or was Labor Party; and that means left in Israel. He may be backing the new PM.
Olaf Petersen
- #13 - 2006-09-02 15:21 - (Reply)
Uuuhhh, I just can't wait for the next isolationist wail over "those ungrateful jews after all that America has done for them".
JW-Atlantic Review
- #14 - 2006-09-09 15:02 - (Reply)
Germany accepting 'burden of history' | Jerusalem Post QUOTE Jerusalem Post:
"Germany is offering to patrol Lebanon's coast rather than send ground troops. Yet Israel asked Germany to provide fighting troops, and Germany refused. Isn't that a historical paradox, Stein was asked. "In a way, it is," he responded. "Prime Minister Olmert recognizes that this is a different Germany, which has proven, more than many other countries, that it has internalized the lessons of the Holocaust. But the Germans are unwilling to put themselves in a position where German armed soldiers might have to face, or even shoot, an Israeli soldier. They are accepting the burden of their history, even if we, at least in this instance, are willing to overlook it." Stein noted that the final size of the force had not been determined and that, since Lebanon had not yet asked Germany to participate in the force, the decision had not been finalized. Furthermore, since the German army is a national army, any decision regarding deployment of troops must be approved by the Bundestag. He revealed that Germany had also offered to aid the Lebanese government in guarding airports and to train customs officials along the Syrian-Lebanese border, as well as the warships backed by surveillance aircraft to prevent weapons being smuggled to Hizbullah gunmen after their war with Israel. (...) It has been over a decade since Germany's post-war constitution was changed to allow the use of armed force in international disputes. In that time they have taken part in peacekeeping operations in the Balkans, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Sudan and DR Congo. But Stein made a distinction: These past assignments have been primarily "peace-keeping" missions. The mission in Lebanon would be a "peace-enforcing" mission. For the first time, German troops would be taking part in a mission with a high probability of casualties. (...) Unlike the United States, Germany, like all of Europe, except for the British in Iraq, is in a post-heroic period. They are not willing to see their soldiers killed in any effort that is not directly related to their own defense. Europeans do not see themselves, and do not want to see themselves, as responsible for making the world safe for democracy. Furthermore, in Germany and especially in the east, there is a significant pacifist component.
Danny
- #15 - 2006-10-03 10:51 - (Reply)
As for the Israeli love of Germany, I regret to say it is clearly associated with Galut mentality: a Diaspora Jew really love those who stop beating him for a while. Regrettably, that's a common and well-known feature. On a similar note, leftist Israelis are in love with the Palestinians. No one loves France just because it didn't kill Jews for some centuries.
Anonymous
- #16 - 2006-11-02 11:21 - (Reply)
Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
joe
- #17 - 2006-11-02 21:42 - (Reply)
That is a great source. Add Comment
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