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Carnival of German American RelationsPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Sunday, December 11. 2005 Sixty-Four years ago today, Germany declared war on the United States. To reflect on the evolution of US-German relations and the current state of our alliance, GM's Corner and the Atlantic Review are hosting a blog carnival. Many Germans have had a high regard for the US for its support for (West-)Germany, civil liberties and the rule of law, its thoughtful political debates and critical press, and the establishment of international organizations. Many German friends of the US have felt increasingly estranged in the last couple of years due to restrictions on civil liberties and the rule of law in the US, an uncritical media during the run up to the Iraq war, and the perception of increasing unilateralism and of a bellicose foreign policy rhetoric of some politicians. Others just seized the chance to express their anti-Americanism more openly.
Many Americans have the impression that Germans are ungrateful, unsupportive, hypocritical and don't understand how the world has changed on 9/11 and that the war on terror requires new methods and thinking. The disagreements, however, are not primarily between Americans and Germans, but between liberals and conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic, and even within those political tents. Thus many liberal Americans and Germans argue that giving up moral values in the war on terrorism is surrender and does not defeat terrorists, but helps them to get more recruits. The leading German weekly DIE ZEIT now calls the United States a "Torture State." The editor Michael Naumann even writes that legal executions could be considered torture. The Wall Street Journal hits back:
While these two venerable papers trade shrill insults and hurtful, exaggerated accusations, the 21 participants of our Blog Carnival have written critical, but much more respectful and thoughtful opinion pieces on a wide range of topics on our transatlantic partnership. Please continue to read here what they have to say: ON SOLIDARITY AND IGNORANCE: Jim Bass writes about his father's participation in the Berlin Airlift in 1948. His post Germany's Memory Loss criticizes that history is being rewritten in Germany today and that the US role is increasingly left out. Jim lives in California and writes for the group blog Attack Machine.
Loren Cobb is the editor of The Quaker Economist. In Thanks, Germany, he describes Germany's contribution to pump the water out of New Orleans. He is
(This is not supposed to be a comparision. Obviously, the airlift was much bigger and much more important.)
ANTI-AMERICANISM: Kathy Krajco from Wisconsin reminds us that Anti-Americanism did not start with the Iraq war, but is older than the United States and a natural consequence of the exodus from Europe to America, which exists as a rejection of European ideals at the time. With no dreaded common enemy in the Soviet Union anymore, the hostility rises to the surface again over virtually any excuse, explains her post The Roots of Anti-Americanism. Kathy has written many more interesting posts about Anti-Americanism in her blog At The Zoo.
Ray D. submitted Germany's Lilipuz: Indoctrinating Tomorrow's Little America Haters Today about a radio program for kids with biased Iraq news: "One of the most sinister media programs in Germany is one aimed at an audience too young to differentiate bias and think critically about the political messages directed at it." He also asks "Is there some law against reporting on positive things happening in Iraq in the German media?" Ray D. is one of two editors at the watchblog Davids Medienkritik – Politically Incorrect Observations on Reporting in the German Media. THE GERMARICAN: Michael Meyn is a Germerican in Las Vegas, i.e. a German, who emigrated to the United States and became an admirer of President Bush and a US citizen after 9/11, because "America has been very good to me. America has been very good to millions of people from all over the world who have come to this wonderful country to start a new life, a better life, a life they couldn’t think possible in the countries they’ve left for good." With Come as you are he pays tribute to the Statue of Liberty and his new home. Michael is one of the three Misunderestimated Germans. LEARNING FROM THE US: Carsten Boesel is the Berlin based editor of TransatlanTicker, which "aims to provide a broad German audience with useful news and commentary on the full range of educational opportunities in the United States and important trends in transatlantic cultural exchange." He submitted his English language blog post Wanted: A Bit of Berkeley for Germany. NOW MORE GERMAN-US CONFRONTATION OR COOPERATION?
SOVEREIGNTY AND INDEPENDENCE: Sandra Plas is the editor of Transatlanticist -- Informed Comments about the US and Transatlantic Relations and a Dutch citizen currently based in Brussels, who spends a lot of time on the other side of the Atlantic. In her post Eagle Nations, she describes Germany's opposition to the US-led invasion of Iraq as a big surprise to Americans and as "a first manifestation of a unified Germany that is looking for a new independent voice in international politics." Clemens Wergin, Editorial Writer and Political Book Editor of Berlin's leading newspaper Der Tagesspiegel, submitted his article Die neue Freiheit about the Schroeder era, which was printed in November 2005. Clemens provided the following summary in English:
If you can't read his Tagesspiegel-article in German, you could try this automatic Google translation. Clemens Wergin blogs at Flatworld.
THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS: Clive Davis lives near London, writes for The Times and The Washington Times and blogs about Politics and Culture from both sides of the Atlantic. He submitted his interview with Jeff Gedmin, director of Berlin's Aspen Institute, which has been described as the "de facto U.S. embassy". It is the first interview of his outstanding Transatlantic Voices series.
Olaf Petersen from the German-Danish border describes the transatlantic relationship as Broken China and says it's up to the US to fix it. Olaf is "enraged that the U.S. didn't win the Iraq war even though it was based on lies." Most of his Extrablog posts are in German, but this post (and some others) are in English.
OTTO VON BISMARCK: Starling Hunter blames Germany's first chancellor Otto von Bismarck for many of today's problems and hopes that "the German people now reclaim what Grand Theft Otto helped steal from them and their forefathers- a firmly established Democracy." Starling is a professor at the American University of Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates and blogs at The Business of America Is Business.
Bill Rice blogs at By Dawns Early Light and submitted Germany's Angela Merkel the Next Bismarck? Bill opines: "As a woman who grew up in communist East Germany, she has a clearer understanding than her predecessor of the value of not playing politics with your country's long-term national security interests."
GERMANY'S ECONOMY: George A. Pieler, a Senior Fellow with the Institute for Policy Innovation and former Tax Counsel to the Senate Finance Committee, submitted Merkel Outfoxed, or Leading the Pack?, which he wrote for Tech Central Station – Where Free Markets Meet Technology with Jens F. Laurson. George is concerned that the new German government's economic policy "seems designed for failure" and he describes the tension between the US economic model as opposed to the European social model and the way Germany is caught between the two.
Ralf Goergens submitted his Postmortem of the 2005 German general elections, where he explains that "fear of the flat tax served to mobilize Social Democratic voters and to demobilize many Christian Democratic voters this year, while in 2002, Schroeder's opposition against the war on Iraq and his anti-American rhetoric had rallied his disaffected party base around him." Ralf emailed us that "it seems that from the American point of view the 2002 election campaign especially had been exclusively about anti-Americanism. This is an misunderstanding, caused by the way American media had reported about the campaign, making it look as if Schröder had been solely campaigning on an anti-American platform." Ralf blogs at Chicagoboyz.
MERKEL, GERMAN ANCESTRY, UNITED FRONT AND MORE Rob gives an overview of US-German relations, writes about Angela Merkel's rise to power, the potential for better US-German relations and the Khaled al-Masri case. He also has a great US map showing the centers of Americans with German ancestry. Rob lives in New York. "Following 9/11 I went through the stereotypical transformation into a hawk with regard to the Iraq war and the War on Terror. I still consider myself liberal on almost all social issues," he writes on the About me page in his blog Quick Rob.
Erik P. Hauth with Ringfahndung submitted his fictive plea to Arnold Schwarzenegger not to execute the convicted murderer Tookie.
Our co-host of the first carnival GM's Corner contributed New German Leadership; Or Just A New Wrapper? which provides info on Angela Merkel and Germany's economic challenges.
And the Atlantic Review submitted Germany's Aid to Katrina's Victims about new feelings of solidarity. We hope these carnivals become a great tradition and enhance ties between the Western and Eastern blogosphere and improve the transatlantic friendship.
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David
- #2 - 2005-12-11 19:47 - (Reply)
Many thanks to Joerg and the others at Atlantic Review for pulling this together. The range of topics and viewpoints is indeed impressive. Well done!
Marian Wirth
- #3 - 2005-12-11 20:38 - (Reply)
Congrats, Joerg! Well done, indeed.
ats
- #4 - 2005-12-12 01:30 - (Reply)
Interesting and informative piece.
Rosemary
- #5 - 2005-12-12 15:50 - (Reply)
Dear Joerg,
ROA
- #6 - 2005-12-12 16:33 - (Reply)
Germans shouldn't fel bad because they got no recognition for their efforts during Katrina, we never gave the Russians any credit for their efforts during WWII either.
Thomas
- #6.1 - 2005-12-12 23:17 - (Reply)
The German media is anti-American. And the American media is ignorant. If the American media were not so ignorant, it would probably be anti-Germany, anti-European etc.
joe
- #7 - 2005-12-13 17:49 - (Reply)
Most Americans don't complain. They don't know that you are anti-American.
JeremyR
- #8 - 2005-12-14 06:33 - (Reply)
Of course, if Russia hadn't been Germany's ally originally, maybe they would have gotten a bit more credit. The Russians only stood up to Hitler when he decided to invade them. (And not coincidently, that was the same point when Hollywood started turning against Hitler as well...)
Shawn
- #9 - 2005-12-14 06:39 - (Reply)
German-US relations came up with a German friend of earlier this Fall. He posted his feelings (although while slightly intoxicated), offering another straightfoward glimpse into the German perspective:
anti
- #10 - 2005-12-14 11:08 - (Reply)
You honestly think Bild or the FAZ are anti-American?
ROA
- #11 - 2005-12-14 16:10 - (Reply)
The fact is Russia, the USSR at the time, lost something like 15 million people and most of their infrastructure during WW II. The US lost 300,000 people and none of its infrastructure. The resources the Germans used to kill that many Russians were not available to kill Americans. If they had been, we would have been in trouble. It would only be fair to acknowledge their contribution.
Solipson
- #12 - 2005-12-14 23:25 - (Reply)
Congrats to the Carnival, I always thought it a pity that the two countries with such a long and common history (e.g. Germans are still the largest ethnic group in the US) don’t really talk to and much less understand each other.
Thomas
- #13 - 2005-12-14 23:56 - (Reply)
@ ROA, "Europe’s unwillingness to apply pressure on Saddam was because he bought them off, nothing else." What indications do you have that he bought the German government?
ROA
- #14 - 2005-12-15 08:31 - (Reply)
@ Thomas
Solipson
- #14.1 - 2005-12-15 22:14 - (Reply)
ROA
nixxon
- #15 - 2005-12-15 22:42 - (Reply)
I always wonder why you Americans expect us Germans to be grateful for what you did after WW II for us. It were simply economic reasons that led to ERP and other measures. The American economy needed Europe as markets. So why should we pay back double or triple? You - Americans - do your business and leave us alone! Kill as many Iraquis as you want! Support a dictatorship as Saudi-Arabia as long as you want! But: leave us alone!
Joerg W
- #16 - 2005-12-15 22:43 - (Reply)
This is a great debate! Very good points are raised in my humble opinion. And a bit of humor/sarcasm is fun, too!
ROA
- #17 - 2005-12-15 23:43 - (Reply)
Solipson: You are right about the age article. Sorry, it was late. But it doesn’t detract from my premise. Why else would Saddam give Germany $4 billion dollars in goods and services contracts?
Solipson
- #18 - 2005-12-16 08:23 - (Reply)
ROA
ROA
- #18.1 - 2005-12-17 02:13 - (Reply)
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The German-American Blog Carnival is up. Don't miss out! More information here and here.
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... at GM's Corner. For some really excellent reading with a new look at things (well, at least for me), you ought to go on over and browse the selections. The Carnival is also posted over at the Atlantic Review.
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