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Our <strike><strong>Friends</strong></strike>, <strike><strong>Allies</strong></Strike>, Adversaries, The Saudis!
Once Upon A time, In A Land Far Away... A regional panjandrum by the improbable name of Muhammad bin Saud met a fellow panjandrum cum mystic, then a radical islamist, by the equally improbable name of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab and decided together that the Arabian Peninsula had just too much freedom in the way Islam was practiced. Deciding that...
Weblog: GM's Corner
Tracked: Nov 04, 20:14
US-Saudi relationship puts oil access before secur
The Atlantic Review presents a very thoughtful topic about how the US - and Europe - seem to prefer oil access to security.
Weblog: Tel-Chai Nation
Tracked: Nov 06, 22:37
"America is addicted to oil"
At his State of the Union Address, President Bush promised &quot;to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025&quot;, because &quot;America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world.&quo
Weblog: Atlantic Review
Tracked: Feb 02, 11:39
Chicago Tribune: "Germany says 9/11 hijackers called Syria, Saudi Arabia"
John Crewdson, the senior correspondent of the respectable Chicago Tribune, claims to have obtained a &quot;classified report from the office of German Chancellor Angela Merkel&quot;:According to the report, 206 international telephone calls were known to
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Dan - #1 - 2005-11-04 11:26 -

stehpinkeln - #2 - 2005-11-04 11:28 -

I don't see what the big deal is. The KSA has OIL, America needs OIL, so we buy OIL from the KSA, although not as much as we but from other nations. Yes, the Saudi Wahadi's hate us. So What? We don't like them very much either. Why should that interfer with doing business? "the general aim of the jihad and the mujahadeen is to strike at the foundations and infrastructure of the Western colonialist program or at the so-called world order.... Their defeat means, simply, the elimination of all forms of nation-states, such that all that remains is the natural existence familiar to Islam, the regional entity under the great Islamic state." -Osama bin Laden Yes, they want to destroy the west. Not so much a physical destruction, the destroying the Ideas that are the core of western civilization. Just as we have been doing to them. This IS a conflict of civilizations. There will be only one survivor. Either the western concepts of human rights and universal suferage will win or the Islamic concept of surrendering to god (Allah) will win. For Islam to co-exist with Western civilization, it will have to change to the point where it is no longer Islam, but a watered down, cross between Islam, Christianity and Judesm. This war is about 1400 years old. It has been fought in a sporadic manner because the two cultures were able to ignore each other. Then came the industrial revolution, which the Mulsims passed on. Western society had a need for OIL and the power to take it, so they did. Now Arabs are fighting back. I don't blame them, although understanding their POV doesn't prevent me from cheering everytime another Jihadist bites the dust. The Arabs stand about the same chance the American Indian did, which on a scale of 1 to 10 is zero. They will end up on reservations in about 50 years. If they are lucky. What they are NOT going to do is wake up one morning and stop fighting. "We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity." -Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad "All Muslims of the West will be obliged," he said, (of his adherence to Osama bin Laden) to "become his sword" in a new battle. Europeans take heed, he added, saying, "It is foolish to fight people who want death -- that is what they are looking for" -Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad "The youths also reciting the All Mighty words of: "so when you meat in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks..." (Muhammad; 47:19). Those youths will not ask you (William Perry) for explanations, they will tell you singing there is nothing between us need to be explained, there is only killing and neck smiting." -Osama bin Laden, 1996

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MASUD - #3 - 2005-11-04 11:30 -

Well u see the thing is that in every country there r people who do the wron kind of stuff -- the West is no exception and neither is any Middle Eastern country, ut branding a whole nation for a fault of the few is not reasonable. Masud

JW - #4 - 2005-11-04 11:31 -

Thank you for all your comments!!! @ Dan Thanks for the interesting links to alternative sources @ Stehpinkeln You seem to have strong prejudices against Arabs and Islam. "I don't see what the big deal is." Then, please read the post again. In brief: You finance extremism everytime you buy gas. "The KSA has OIL, America needs OIL, so we buy OIL from the KSA" So you rather have cheap oil than be safe? Do you care about national security, freedom, democracy and human rights? "Not so much a physical destruction, the destroying the Ideas that are the core of western civilization. Just as we have been doing to them. This IS a conflict of civilizations. There will be only one survivor. Either the western concepts of human rights ..." We finance their extremism. How is the concept of human rights going to win, if our governments value oil more than human rights and national security? @ Masud I don't blame a whole nation, but the Saudi government and I blame some of the private and public charities. I appreciate all your comments. Controversial dialogue is great.

At the Zoo - #5 - 2005-11-04 11:33 -

The Saudis have proved they are untrustworthy too many times for any sensible person to believe them about what day of the week it is. When they cooperate, it's only because it serves them well to. At this point, what else are we going to do? It's not really an addiction -- it's a necessiity of life in a developed and productive nation, especially one as vast as the US. We waste plenty, but it's not like we waste it all. Much good comes of our productivity for the world. The United States needs oil like China needs food. This problem doesn't rise to the level of just cause to just go and take it, and America would dread ever having to do that because of the constant PITA any involvement in the ME is. So, we put up with it. But it's never too late to really start conserving and investigating domestic sources and to start really pouring money wisely into alternatives. Driving all these trucks and vans is crazy. That would help a lot. Plus, we don't know when Saudi cheap oil will run out. It could be any time. - Kathy K

JW - #5.1 - 2005-11-04 11:34 -

"We waste plenty" We all do. SUV drivers in cities waste most. I agree with your call to "start really pouring money wisely into alternatives." *Thanks for your comment*

Chris - #6 - 2005-11-04 11:38 -

Great post... Many of those sources I do not read enough. Thanks.

praktike - #7 - 2005-11-05 15:47 -

There's no question that Saudi Arabia has dirty hands where Islamic extremism and probably terrorism is concerned, but the more interesting question in my mind is to what extent the Saudis are cooperating today. As far as human rights go I think we need to be realistic about what is achievable there and in what timeframe. It's clear to me that with the new King Abdullah we're dealing with a leadership that is less extreme than its population and certainly its clergy but is loath to proceed at the reform pace desired by Western critics. But I think that from what I've read the Saudi government, at least, is being largely cooperative as far as Al Qaeda is concerned. Regarding the Freedom House report and the CRS summary, I think much of it is of historical interest at this point though there are doubtless still problems to be addressed.

karthik - #7.1 - 2005-12-06 23:32 -

Check this news : The Saudi version of *Justice.* The Times of India - A Keralite youth is facing an "eye-for-eye" punishment in Saudi Arabia after a court found him guilty of blinding an Arab during an altercation two years ago. The helpless family members of the youth are in tears and prayers hoping that their kin would return unhurt. Puthan Veettil Naushad, who worked as an assistant in a shop attached to a petrol station near Dammam in Saudi Arabia, was the sole bread-winner of the family comprising his parents, wife and two children at Anchal near here. His life took a tragic turn two years ago when a Saudi national came and purchased a battery charger from the shop. After a while, the customer returned complaining that the product he bought was faulty and allegedly roughed up Naushad. The Saudi national's left eye was damaged when Naushad reacted in self-defence. *The incident landed Naushad in court, which imprisoned him and ordered that his right eye be scooped out and given to the Saudi national as replacement for his damaged eye. * However, according to the family members, the court of appeal has directed the Saudi national to consider whether Naushad could be pardoned. As per _Shariat_ , the offender can escape punishment if the affected person pardoned him. As a ray of hope for the grieving family, Naushad rang up his wife Shuhaila from Saudi on Monday to say that he hoped the man who took him to court would show mercy.

Lee - #8 - 2006-08-20 10:17 -

Learn Saudis and iSLAM [url]http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=378[/url]

Jim Scout - #9 - 2006-10-27 06:54 -

There has been a very good video, sorta a wartime campaign that indicates the real intentions of the US with regards to war. It isn't so much to do with the control of the middle east rather its just the US using their military might to sway the world in which direction they wish, much like the british a few centuries ago with the British India Company, now its just the US Navy.

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rendra wahyudi - #10.1 - 2009-05-15 06:20 -

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Pat Patterson - #10.1.1 - 2009-05-15 06:39 -

Interesting as the exact same comment was recently placed in the Forbes Magazine published in Indonesia. http://fatihsyuhud.com/2008/05/15/forbes-2008-40-richest-japanese/

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