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Wednesday, May 4. 2011German Moralizers Criticize United States on Killing of Bin LadenPosted by Joerg Wolf in German Politics, Transatlantic Relations, US Foreign Policy on Wednesday, May 4. 2011 1. Many German politicians, media and church representatives criticize Chancellor Merkel for expressing her joy about the killing of Osama bin Laden, because it is not appropriate to have such a feeling when a human being gets killed. She was only "allowed" to express her relief. => Okay, fine with me. 2. The same folks also criticize those Americans who celebrated bin Laden's death. => Okay, fair enough. I do, however, consider the reactions understandable since he headed a terrorist group that killed thousands of Americans and was determined to kill more. Moreover, no government official celebrated. No "mission accomplished" parties. So, please let's not make a big deal out of it. 3. The same folks and several German law professors (in German) and talk show pundits question the legality of killing bin Laden. This issue seems to be dominating the debate in the German media currently. => Now I am getting annoyed. This is so typical. Aren't there bigger problems? Should not we question our policy on Pakistan? How supportive is the Pakistani military and intelligence of terror networks? As Leon T. Hadar writes in the Huffington Post: "Pakistan is a failed state with nuclear military power, whose elites and public are hostile to the U.S. and sympathetic to its enemies. (...) Pakistan is not a strategic ally but an irresponsible client state." Law professors could also make sound proposals for ethical and efficient changes to international law to meet the realities of of the 21st century, like terrorism and assymetric warfare, failing states etc. That would be more important and more constructive than making a fuss about the killing of Bin Laden. 4. And this Süddeutsche article discusses whether bin Laden was buried correctly. => Give me a break and rethink your priorities. Spiegel International provides an English language summary of some commentaries from German newspapers. More evidence for the above claims in this Tagesthemen commentary, which Davids Medienkritik would rip apart, if they'd still be active. Criticism of the German coverage can be found in Die Welt by Clemens Wergin and Alan Posner (all links in German) Endnote: Last week Congressman Dana Rohrabacher responded to a four year old article on this blog. He provided some context to the quote "Well, I hope it's your families, I hope it's your families that suffer the consequences [of a terrorist attack]." Trackbacks
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Omar
- #1 - 2011-05-04 21:05 - (Reply)
2. What would you think if Jimmy Carter got murdered and the Iranians broke out in cheers, if Ariel Sharon or Avigdor Liebermann got murdered and the Palestinians (and Libanese) got to the streets, if George W. Bush was murdered and the Iraqis (alternatively the whole world) laughed and danced to it? Would you still say, it is understandable? All those people have sufferings, too. They detest people who kill(ed) them, too. And they would - of course - cheer to any other Bin Laden who killed some of their killers, too. Comments (3)
Martin
- #1.1 - 2011-05-04 21:31 - (Reply)
More Arabs cheered on 9/11 than Americans cheered on sunday. Comment (1)
Omar
- #1.1.1 - 2011-05-04 22:42 - (Reply)
@Martin: You have any numbers? And footage beyond the few Palestinians not knowing what they were cheering about? Comments (3)
David
- #1.1.1.1 - 2011-05-06 01:55 - (Reply)
Questions for Omar: Do you support the US and NATO's intervention in Libya? Comments (2)
Omar
- #1.1.1.1.1 - 2011-05-08 09:44 - (Reply)
David, i do not support the intervention. I'm not sure, any massacre was averted, but i am sure, that the same thing could've been said about Israel's massacre in Gaza (as in, where was the intervention then?) or other countries. On my blog you can read a recent German piece i wrote.. Comments (3)
Zyme
- #1.2 - 2011-05-05 07:00 - (Reply)
As usual, it is a matter of perspective: Comment (1)
Marie Claude
- #2 - 2011-05-05 07:58 - (Reply)
but is OBL really dead? no pic was released ! Comments (6)
John in Michigan, US
- #3 - 2011-05-06 06:48 - (Reply)
The HUMINT collection, the manhunt, and the raid itself are the most impressive part of all this. Credit to Obama for staying the course, even to the point of embracing 99% of Bush's policies. Comment (1)
Pat Patterson
- #4 - 2011-05-06 06:59 - (Reply)
Arafat wouldn't have ordered the armed factions into the streets unless he realized that the demonstrations, covered by CNN, the BBC and Reuters, were an embarassment to his political goals. And there were large demonstrations in Ramallah, Bethlehem and East Jerusalem when Sharon had his most debilitating stroke to the point the some imams held services outdoors due to the crush of the crowds cheering and praying for his death. Truman as an afterthought in 1945 simply remarked that he was relieved that Mussolini and Hitler were dead but that he certainly understood if the people of the world celebrated those passings. Comments (6)
Marie Claude
- #5 - 2011-05-08 00:35 - (Reply)
anyway Comments (6)
Pat Patterson
- #6 - 2011-05-08 02:22 - (Reply)
That story has been denied by the French authorities since it first came to light in 2006. And beyond the initial claim no one has provided any corraborating evidence except for the two anonymous soldiers. And under the ROE of that time there was no requirement other than to fire on the suspected target period. No one had to call the ISAF for permission. Comments (6)
Marie Claude
- #6.1 - 2011-05-08 06:05 - (Reply)
you should know that our Military authorities always deny individuals witnesses ! Comments (6)
Marie Claude
- #6.2 - 2011-05-08 06:26 - (Reply)
Besides hunting OBL wasn't Bush's priority Comments (6)
Pat Patterson
- #6.2.1 - 2011-05-10 19:36 - (Reply)
Then why was the SEAL team that shot him set up under Bush's watch with the express authorzation to hunt Bin Laden down? Plus the intelligence group that was tasked to provide the information. Comments (6)
Marie Claude
- #6.2.1.1 - 2011-05-11 06:09 - (Reply)
really? Comments (6)
Pat Patterson
- #6.2.1.1.1 - 2011-05-11 09:25 - (Reply)
Did you actually bother to listen to the entire video or read the title. MSNBC was criticized for editing his comments to make it appear Bush had ceased caring about the whereabouts of Bin Laden. Comments (6)
Pat Patterson
- #6.2.1.1.1.1 - 2011-05-11 09:47 - (Reply)
Contains actual transcript to the full comment GWB and not the edited version. Comments (6)
David
- #6.2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2011-05-11 16:13 - (Reply)
Still breaking a lance for your "torturer-in-chief"? Comments (2)
Pat Patterson
- #6.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2011-05-11 16:29 - (Reply)
Still sitting in a cave wondering what the shadows mean? Can you refute what the actual interview said or are you wedded to lying about anybody that you don't agree with? BTW, are you talking about Bush or Obama? Comments (6)
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