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Monday, January 10. 2011Arizona Shooting Victim Was a 9/11 BabyPosted by Joerg Wolf in US Domestic and Cultural Issues on Monday, January 10. 2011 Making a tragedy even more sad, the NY Times reports:
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David
- #1 - 2011-01-10 23:45 - (Reply)
What a terrible tragedy. Comments ()
Pamela
- #1.1 - 2011-01-11 00:19 - (Reply)
Absolutely agree, David. And I'm a hard-ass about 2nd amendment rights. Comments ()
Pamela
- #1.1.1 - 2011-01-11 00:30 - (Reply)
Sorry, I should have posted a link re: my assertions. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2 - 2011-01-11 05:06 - (Reply)
It appears now, to echo Pam, that the one shouting loudest about inflammatory rhetoric simply ignored the behaviour and threats of Loughner for quite a while. Comments ()
Pamela
- #2.1 - 2011-01-11 14:33 - (Reply)
Indeed. Patterico is filing an open records request to find out what Sheriff Dupnik knew, when he knew it and what he did about it. Comments ()
David
- #3 - 2011-01-11 18:04 - (Reply)
We should bear in mind that this was not a random shooting but rather a deliberate assassination attempt on a Democratic congresswoman. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #3.1 - 2011-01-11 18:30 - (Reply)
You claim this was a ‘deliberate assassination attempt on a Democratic congresswoman’ then in the next sentence ask what was the shooters motivation. If you don’t know what his motive was, Dave, how do you know it was a deliberate assassination? Furthermore, if Loughner had targeted Gifford, why shoot Judge Roll who was, according to published accounts, a conservative Republican? Indeed, why shoot anyone other than Gifford, who survived? If this had really been a ‘deliberate assassination attempt’ Loughner would have emptied the gun into Gifford. Your entire premise is asinine. Comments ()
Pamela
- #3.2 - 2011-01-11 21:20 - (Reply)
David, you're an idiot. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #3.2.1 - 2011-01-11 22:08 - (Reply)
I don't want to read words like "idiot" on this blog. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #3.2.1.1 - 2011-01-11 23:57 - (Reply)
BTW Stewart did not blame Sarah Palin etc for the Arizona shooting: Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #3.2.1.1.1 - 2011-01-13 13:31 - (Reply)
I find it rather interesting that you find things that Jon Steward didn't do important. How about making a point about the party being reflexively blamed, Sarah Palin, who DIDN'T have anything to do with it either? Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #3.2.1.2 - 2011-01-12 01:40 - (Reply)
Actually, it started deteriorating when George W. Bush was inaugurated, and a lot of the blame for that lies with Europe. Remember the Bush-Hitler picture hanging in the BBC office? Or Eric Frey’s Schwarzbuch USA? Or pretty much anything related to America printed by Der Speigel? Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #3.2.1.2.1 - 2011-01-12 03:31 - (Reply)
Oh, yeah, took me awhile to dig up his name, but let's not forget Thierry Miessen. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #3.2.1.2.2 - 2011-01-12 08:26 - (Reply)
In the BBC? Nope. Source please. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #3.2.1.2.2.1 - 2011-01-13 02:08 - (Reply)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY4umBmJHjg Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3.2.1.3 - 2011-01-12 02:01 - (Reply)
But when David referred to other commenters here as racists that doesn't ring the same kind of alarm calling someone an idiot does. Comments ()
Pamela
- #3.2.1.4 - 2011-01-12 04:25 - (Reply)
Joerg, I'm sorry, I did not see your post objecting to the term 'idiot' before I posted my BlueBoy post. I will respond in more detail tomorrow. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #3.3 - 2011-01-12 13:50 - (Reply)
He was also a "9-11 truther", an atheist, a mind-addled long-term hash smoker, and used his mother's position on the board of supervisors to never be convicted of his many arrests. Comments ()
Pamela
- #4 - 2011-01-11 22:10 - (Reply)
More in the "David is an idiot Dept." Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #4.1 - 2011-01-11 23:43 - (Reply)
And that makes it alright to respond in kind? Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #4.1.1 - 2011-01-12 03:04 - (Reply)
Words cannot express how little of a s**t I give about our image in the world. The fact is our image overseas is always going to be bad simply because we can’t possibly emulate everybody in the world who thinks we ought to. When all the illegals in the US go home because they don’t want to be associated with us, I’ll care. Maybe if it gets bad enough, they’ll start refusing our foreign aid, ya think? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #4.1.2 - 2011-01-12 05:50 - (Reply)
Only a European would consider the leftism and sarcasm of The Moderate Voice as anything even remotely resembling the middle of American politics. And still they get their panties in a twist when supposedly some conservatives are quick to point the pot and kettle fallacy of their newly found civility. Comments ()
Pamela
- #5 - 2011-01-12 06:43 - (Reply)
This is part one of several. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #5.1 - 2011-01-12 08:37 - (Reply)
So the Arizona shooting does not encourage you to think about the benefits of civility in discourse? Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #5.1.1 - 2011-01-12 14:03 - (Reply)
Are you suggesting that there is some magical land with "civil discourse" that meets your standards? Comments ()
Pamela
- #5.1.2 - 2011-01-12 17:19 - (Reply)
So the Arizona shooting does not encourage you to think about the benefits of civility in discourse? Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #5.1.3 - 2011-01-13 01:30 - (Reply)
And speaking of civil discourse: Comments ()
Pamela
- #6 - 2011-01-12 06:48 - (Reply)
Part 2 Comments ()
Pamela
- #7 - 2011-01-12 06:52 - (Reply)
part 3 Comments ()
ROA
- #8 - 2011-01-12 06:53 - (Reply)
Joerg, If you find Sarah palin’s targeting map disgusting, what about the DLC’s 2004 targeting map that used bull’s-eyes instead of the surveyor symbols her map used. Or the 2009 Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee map that targeted 23 Republicans with bulls-eyes? How disgusted were you when the Democratic maps were published? Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #8.1 - 2011-01-12 08:24 - (Reply)
Looked up that DLC map from 2004. Awful. Comments ()
Pamela
- #9 - 2011-01-12 07:03 - (Reply)
And finally. Comments ()
Joerg Wolf
- #9.1 - 2011-01-12 08:39 - (Reply)
I think you (Kevin and Pamela) do care what folks in other countries think of you. Isn't that one of the main reasons to read and comment so regularly here????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Comments ()
Pamela
- #9.1.1 - 2011-01-12 16:54 - (Reply)
Only to the extent that they have an opportunity to understand. Whether or not we are 'liked' has become immaterial to me personally because I've seen so much gratuitous anti-Americanism that's based on projection, myth or simply used as a political weapon. I've noted a few examples upthread. Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #9.1.2 - 2011-01-12 18:14 - (Reply)
I've had to listen to this absurd concealment for 30 years... "Countries" don't care about anyone, the occasional individual does. Comments ()
Kevin Sampson
- #9.1.3 - 2011-01-13 02:53 - (Reply)
What have I ever posted here that you believe has done anything to polish our image overseas? Comments ()
ROA
- #10 - 2011-01-12 21:51 - (Reply)
If you are so concerned about raising the quality of debate with people we disagree with why didn’t you object when president Obama said “the unanimous vote of House Republicans vote against the stimulus bills set the tenor for the whole year ... That helped to create the tea-baggers and empowered that whole wing of the Republican Party to where it now controls the agenda for the Republicans.” Comments ()
Pamela
- #10.1 - 2011-01-13 16:29 - (Reply)
TEA BAGGERS?! Obama actually used that word? Seriously? Comments ()
ROA
- #10.1.1 - 2011-01-13 17:40 - (Reply)
Yes! Comments ()
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