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Saturday, March 28. 2009Why Europe is Fiscally ConservativePosted by Joerg Wolf in on Saturday, March 28. 2009 Numerous US politicians, pundits and bloggers complain that Europe (especially Germany) is once again free riding on the United States. This time we are accused of refusing to carry our share of the global economic burden by failing to increase the stimulus to a gazillion euro. We are supposed to throw in the kitchen sink as the Fed did and follow yet another one of Washington's "shock and awe" strategies since the one in Iraq was so successful. Europe responds with yet another metaphor: Czech Prime Minister Topolanek, who currently heads the EU presidency, called President Barack Obama's stimulus plan "a road to hell." Yep, he attended an AC/DC concert the week before. It's time to cool down and read James Surowiecki's excellent explanation in the New Yorker (HT: Ben Perry), why the United States needs economic growth more than Europe does. And therefore "it is not surprising that we [=the United States] are going to be the ones who end up paying for it." I am tempted to call this post "Americans are from Venus, Europeans are from Mars" because the transatlantic buddies seem to have swapped their preferred positions. As Surowiecki explains:
Yep, Europe is now sooo conservative that even the Wall Street Journal agrees with us now: Old Europe Is Right on Stimulus. Surprise, surprise. What do you think? Do we have to swap the stereotypes of Europe and the United States? Is Europe once again piggybacking on the US? Or is US policy just making everything worse for the long run? Trackbacks
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Pat Patterson
- #1 - 2009-03-28 22:01 - (Reply)
Uh, that was a "...highway to Hell." Maybe PM Topolanek was channeling Bishop Bernard who probably was the first to note that good intentions can lead to Hell. Comments ()
Don S
- #2 - 2009-03-29 03:27 - (Reply)
"Czech Prime Minister Topolanek, who currently heads the EU presidency" Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #2.1 - 2009-03-29 05:58 - (Reply)
Pravda is laughing Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1 - 2009-03-29 13:27 - (Reply)
oola ! it's going to a global attack on dollar Comments ()
Don S
- #2.1.1.1 - 2009-03-29 15:16 - (Reply)
Marie-Claude, the dollar has been overvalued since the economic crisis hit last year. Overvalued even against the Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1.1.1 - 2009-03-29 16:42 - (Reply)
uh, what do they export apart musics and arms (?) now ? Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-04-01 18:59 - (Reply)
Though there is a trade deficit, it would seem quite [url=http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/product/enduse/exports/c4279.html]a bit[/url]. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-04-01 22:47 - (Reply)
I can't believe it, LMAO, these are transactions through the wallstreet system, and don't mean that they were destinated to France in their final race : transit to EU, to Africa... I have seen a report on TV on how work our nowadays agricultors, PC connections to the mondial Markets prices Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-04-02 12:49 - (Reply)
Whether your opinion is that they need them or not, that is the data I found. You appear to not know the difference between an opinion and a fact, which makes you seem as much of a waste of time as "YL" who uses about 30 different names and invents imaginary dramas between the readers here. Comments ()
Honza
- #2.2 - 2009-03-29 15:31 - (Reply)
To be honest it was a government based on bribes and very thin majority. After election, there was a 100:100 situation in parliament, 4 or 5 months later two "constructive" (probably bribed, but situation in their party is really totalitarian, so *maybe* it wasn't bribe.. at least none has been found so far) MOP decided to switch sides under few condition on passed laws. Comments ()
David
- #3 - 2009-03-29 17:09 - (Reply)
The New Yorker article provides a clue as to Europe's relatively sanguine response to the economic crises (at least so far): Comments ()
Don S
- #3.1 - 2009-03-29 21:06 - (Reply)
David, those indefatigable journalistic gumshoes at the NYT apparently limited their journalistic efforts to German - quite possibly to Berlin. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3.1.1 - 2009-03-29 22:11 - (Reply)
I thought that, according to George Galloway, only certain Middle Eastern dictators could be termed indefatigable? Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #3.2 - 2009-04-01 19:10 - (Reply)
While your message seems to revolve around wanting to demonstrate to yourself a reason to destest you countrymen, dreaming and hoping for "Bushvilles", you seem to have lost track of the topic. Comments ()
Solipson
- #3.2.1 - 2009-04-01 21:03 - (Reply)
Bidonville is the french word for slum, nothing else. The article you mention is about Eastern Europeans setting up shop in France. Not quite Americans living in tents in America. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #3.2.1.1 - 2009-04-01 22:55 - (Reply)
"Eastern Europeans" Comments ()
Pamela
- #3.2.1.1.1 - 2009-04-02 04:04 - (Reply)
Oh, there you are! Marie Claude, I have missed talking to you. I've had a bit of a problem with one of my eyes that is just beginning to get better and has precluded my use of the computer. But it's getting better and I have missed your sass so here I am. So. "Eastern Europeans" in the cultural vernacular of the French (or just you?)does not include Ukraine? In your cultural world 'Eastern European' is a euphimism for 'gypsies'? Are we missing something? Comments ()
Anonymous
- #3.2.1.1.1.1 - 2009-04-02 15:20 - (Reply)
Hi Pamela : I missed your enlightened comments too :lol: Comments ()
David
- #3.2.2 - 2009-04-02 02:15 - (Reply)
"While your message seems to revolve around wanting to demonstrate to yourself a reason to destest you countrymen, dreaming and hoping for "Bushvilles"" Comments ()
Don S
- #4 - 2009-04-02 01:41 - (Reply)
"Yep, Europe is now sooo conservative" Comments ()
Solipson
- #4.2 - 2009-04-02 13:40 - (Reply)
Don, I don't think they (Sarko and Merkel) have a blueprint for a new world financial system. Hedge funds, offshore heavens and the like have not a lot to do with the current financial crisis. The two are just settling old scores and who would mind them not to? The successor poodle and his stateside friends just laughed at them for years, when they warned about unregulated structured products. It is time to get even. I would do the same. I would tell the poodle poodle and the rest: Just you shut the fuck up. You screwed up, you have not the singlest shred of credibility in things regarding financial regulation. We talk now. Comments ()
Marie Claude
- #4.2.1 - 2009-04-02 15:04 - (Reply)
UMMM, our sparkasse has been regrouped with the popular bank, so that makes it like a normal bank as far fonctionning Comments ()
Don S
- #4.2.2 - 2009-04-02 16:29 - (Reply)
Soli, I'd be surprised if they did have a cunning plan. Comments ()
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