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Ground War in GazaPosted by Nanne Zwagerman in on Sunday, January 4. 2009
The Washington Post's Grif White reports that Israeli troops have moved into the Gaza strip. Some notes:
Two weeks after the start of Israeli operations in Gaza in 2006, Hezbollah launched a strike into Israel that killed three soldiers, and two were taken hostage, purportedly to swap for Lebanese hostages still held by Israel. This set off the 2006 Lebanon War. Israeli ground forces did not have their best day in that war, but Hamas is no Hezbollah. Meanwhile, the AFP has a report in which various analysts predict that Hezbollah will not get itself involved in the current conflict. Israel is signalling that this will be a longer operation. From the Post piece: One spokeswoman, Maj. Avital Leibovich, said on CNN that it would be a "lengthy operation" because "we have many, many targets." These targets could include others than Hamas. In a Terrorism Focus series on the fall-out of the Iraq war, earlier in December, Michael Scheuer wrote about the growing foothold of Salafists in the Gaza Strip: In Palestine, there seems to be a minor Salafi presence in the West Bank but a steadily growing military and proselytizing presence in Gaza. The above noted “Army of Islam” and several other Salafi organizations have created training facilities in Gaza and have displayed them to the international media, defiantly proclaiming, “We are coming Jews!” (Reuters, September 2; see also Terrorism Focus, September 24; for other Salafi groups active in Gaza, see Terrorism Monitor, April 17). They have, to date, conducted some attacks on the Israeli army when its units were engaged in raids in Gaza, and have attacked Christian and American targets in Gaza (Reuters, September 1; Jerusalem Post, October 21). The Salafi groups in Gaza claim they receive funding locally and “are linked to the brothers of the al-Qaeda organization only from an ideological point of view” (adnkronos.com, September 2). That said, their members have been reported chanting slogans supporting bin Laden and al-Qaeda while they are undergoing training activities (al-Arabiyah TV, September 3).For the times when the road to Jerusalem went through Baghdad... What are your thoughts? Welcome! You are reading the ATLANTIC REVIEW -- a Press Digest on Transatlantic Relations combined with commentary and analysis by three young professionals from Germany, the Netherlands and the United States. More about us. The horizontal menu bar at the top helps to navigate this site. Subscribe to one of our RSS-Feeds or to our newsletter, which is emailed twice per month.Trackbacks
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Pamela
- #1 - 2009-01-04 15:07 -
From the Kissinger interview: Comments (7)
John in Michigan, USA
- #1.1 - 2009-01-05 04:19 -
"But the kindest thing that could be done for the Palestinians is to defeat them utterly. It was done to the Germans and the Japanese and their master-race, exterminationist ideologies. We are all better for it." Comments (5)
Zyme
- #1.2 - 2009-01-05 12:25 -
What I can fully understand is the Israli procedure now - which country would tolerate having a rocket launching opposition in the neighbourhood? Comments (6)
Pamela
- #1.2.1 - 2009-01-05 13:55 -
" I am willing to bet that in this case over time the conflict would come to an end and a higher grade of stability would become established in the region." Comments (7)
Zyme
- #1.2.1.1 - 2009-01-05 18:31 -
"There is an argument to be made that Israel is a proxy of the U.S., but certainly not against the EU." Comments (6)
Pamela
- #1.2.1.1.1 - 2009-01-05 22:14 -
"Well countries appear and disappear over time. My point is that I don't see a point in upkeeping a nation against great odds just to perpetuate a conflict forever. And since Europeans arguably have better relations with the Arabian world than with Israel, the preference would be only logical." Comments (7)
Zyme
- #1.2.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 07:39 -
"Am I to understand that your position is that it is in Europe's interest to have Israel destroyed?" Comments (6)
John in Michigan, USA
- #1.2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 09:41 -
"What they see then believe is best in their interest would be up to them. No reason for us to interfere" Comments (5)
Zyme
- #1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 22:28 -
"So naturally, when Israel decided it was in its interest to put up a fence, you immediately realized how this would promote stability, and spoke out against those in Europe who would condemn the fence?" Comments (6)
Kevin Sampson
- #1.2.1.1.2 - 2009-01-06 00:37 -
The Final Solution by proxie, with Germany playing the role of Albert Speer. History does repeat itself. Comment (1)
influx
- #1.2.1.1.2.1 - 2009-01-06 01:31 -
Hate to burst your Nazi bubble, Kevin, but chancellor Merkel stood out in Europe by giving her full support to Israel. Germany has been extremely supportive of Israel for the last 60 years, for obvious reasons. Call me crazy, but I still think she's somewhat more representative of that country than "zyme". Comments (2)
Pat Patterson
- #1.2.1.1.2.1.1 - 2009-01-06 02:24 -
What Chancellor Merkel did say was that Hamas started it but essentially Israel has no right to finish the fight. Along with the thundering herd of Palestinian apologists Merkel said that Israel's response was "...disportionate." Comments (3)
Pat Patterson
- #1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 02:27 -
Disproportionate, lost a syllable there! Comments (3)
Pat Patterson
- #1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 11:15 -
Correct, Merkel didn't say disproportionate, sloppy reading on my part. The thundering herd of apologists comment still stands. Comments (3)
nanne
- #1.2.1.1.2.1.1.2 - 2009-01-06 08:48 -
The SPIEGEL writes that 'others' have said the attacks are disproportionate, not Merkel. Comment (1)
influx
- #1.2.1.1.2.1.1.3 - 2009-01-06 10:19 -
Thanks for linking to the article I was looking for, Pat. It would be helpful if you actually read the things you link to, though. Here's another quote from the article: Comments (2)
John in Michigan, USA
- #1.2.1.1.3 - 2009-01-06 02:07 -
"I don't see a point in upkeeping a nation against great odds just to perpetuate a conflict forever" Comments (5)
Zyme
- #1.2.1.1.3.1 - 2009-01-06 07:35 -
"But are you willing to be consistent? Why not stop supporting Palestine?" Comments (6)
John in Michigan, USA
- #1.2.1.1.3.1.1 - 2009-01-06 09:27 -
In other words, no, you are not willing to be consistent. Comments (5)
Zyme
- #1.2.1.1.3.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 22:40 -
"It also seems you end up suggesting that prolonging the conflict by preventing a decisive Palestinian defeat some how serves humanitarian goals? I'm not trying to twist your words, it just seems like that's were your train of thought leads?" Comments (6)
quo vadis
- #2 - 2009-01-05 18:24 -
Israel really has few options at this point. Something dramatic would be needed to defuse the situation to an extent that the hardliners would be marginalized among the Palestinians in Palestine and the neighboring countries. I would be advocating something like the right of return for Palestinians, but at this point I think that would simply turn Israel into something worse than Lebanon at the height of the civil war. Comment (1)
Pam
- #2.1 - 2009-01-05 23:24 -
I don't even know where to start. My guess is that you are young - 30's at the most. Based on this and previous posts of yours, you are well meaning. Comment (1)
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1 - 2009-01-06 22:37 -
"According to the French analyst Jean François Revel, "If you remove anti-Americanism, nothing remains of French political thought today, either on the Left or on the Right." Comments (6)
Pamela
- #2.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 23:16 -
"the french anti-americanism is a response to the french bashing," Comments (7)
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 23:32 -
um, Pamela, I'll read it tomorrow, for my argument defense, I'll quote your beloved Burke, (that put all the evilness on the french revolution), idea that has been endorsed by your conservatives, saying that this revolution is at the origin of the socialism, of the marxism, (even of the national socialism) the black fantaisy that fills the American spirit for crusades Comments (6)
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-06 23:57 -
You're insane. Functionally, Hitler was a Bolshevik. Burke's critique was that the revolution ceased to be real when it degenerated into a power struggle between different strongmen who offered little or no democracy at all. These failed revolutionaries were "the right" in the prism you've put this in, even though the frame of reference is off by a mile. Comments (2)
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-07 00:45 -
my dear anti-enlighted fellow, your dead wrong, read a little more the enlightened conservative sites such as NR, AT, PJM, Townhall... they all say the same, the Frenchs are to blame for the 20th centuries deseases, but, I volontary acknoledge that you don't consider the Frenchs as enough important for being the motive of their Burke reference, you have lots of other frustration griefs against us, and I f...in don't care Comments (6)
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-07 14:27 -
NR, PJM, and Townhall have said that the French are responsible for the 20th century's worst problems? Isn't this just about your lack of clarity when it comes to your nationalism? Comments (2)
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-07 14:43 -
yeah, must be my vanity LMAO, that person like J. Golberg advocated it and his alikes, um "the surrender-monkey" formule was of his' Comments (6)
John in Michigan, USA
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2009-01-08 02:34 -
Jonah Goldberg will be shocked and flattered to learn that the French think he is continuing the tradition of Edmund Burke. Goldberg is a decent writer, but no towering intellect. It is a bit like saying the writing staff of Les Guignols are the heirs to the tradition of Voltaire. Heirs to Rousseau, certainly, in fact the puppets are an improvement; but heirs to Voltaire? Impossible. Comments (5)
Pamela
- #2.1.1.1.2.1 - 2009-01-07 15:06 -
of course. Comments (7)
Marie Claude
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2009-01-07 16:59 -
:lol: thanks Comments (6)
Pamela
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2009-01-08 15:46 -
Marie Claude, we should start a book club! Comments (7)
Pamela
- #2.2 - 2009-01-06 16:08 -
Here's more info for you qv. Comments (7)
iskender kebab
- #3 - 2009-01-12 04:03 -
> Hello, Comment (1)
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