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Friday, August 15. 2008Russian InterestsPosted by Nanne Zwagerman in European Issues, US Foreign Policy on Friday, August 15. 2008 On the Cato at Liberty blog, Benjamin H. Friedman notes that many commentators fatally misunderstand Russian foreign policy, due to an excessive focus on the intentions of the current government:
As Friedman states, there is an entire body of international relations that focuses more on the circumstances and interests of countries. Still, it is interesting that much the same argument was made about Russia by the current Prime Minister of the Ukraine, Yuliya Tymoshenko, in what now seems an eerily prescient 2007 Foreign Affairs article:
Tymoshenko's article considers Russia's rise and what the west can do about it from various angles. There are many more nuggets in there. The section on 'pipeline politics' does make a mistake, in failing to take note of Russia's status as a transit country for Central Asian (former Soviet) oil and gas. This is an important factor in Russian policy. Coming back to (mis)perceptions, the widespread western perception of Russia's authoritarian turn may itself be mistaken, as a recent thesis by Kevin Cyron 'The Misconception of Russian Authoritarianism' notes. The thesis is being published as a series on Russia Blog. Many analyses you see of Russia spend far too much energy on the opaque nature of the regime, and tend to degenerate into Kremlinology. Some western governments seem to act as if Russia is mysterious and different, its intentions forever unknowable. This is not helpful. We need to treat Russia like a normal country that acts in its perceived interests. As Tymoshenko argues, that does not mean that we should be any less vigilant.
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Zyme
- #1 - 2008-08-16 14:12 - (Reply)
Some points here are interesting. For example the Western belief that democracy is vital for economical growth and rising wealth among a nation's average citizens. I guess this was already disproved before, in Southern America for example, when autocratic regimes made the tough decisions which nowadays democracies benefit from. Comments ()
Don S
- #1.1 - 2008-08-16 19:45 - (Reply)
I on' buy this argument completely, Zyme. Sometimes dictatorships (Argentina under Pinochet?) or relatively strong democracies (think of France post 1957) can do this kind of thing, but I think authoritarian regimes normally create stagnation. Did Spain prosper under Franco, or Ireland under De Valera (authoritarian democrat)? No. Decidedly not. Comments ()
Zyme
- #1.1.1 - 2008-08-16 23:35 - (Reply)
Yes surely there are numerous examples of failed autocracies. Mostly because it all depends on one major person, and if he/she is unsuited, nothing can be achieved. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #1.1.2 - 2008-08-17 07:06 - (Reply)
Argentina under Peron and Menem! Chile under Pinochet, Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew or Malayasia under Mahathirbin Mohamad also come to mind. But the one thing the latter group shared was that they, more or less, gave up power and did not find themselves indespensible. Comments ()
Marie-Claude
- #1.1.2.1 - 2008-08-17 12:39 - (Reply)
they shared a taste of shoes collectionners :lol: Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-08-17 13:59 - (Reply)
This makes no sense so please don't provide a confusing array of links! Comments ()
Marie-Claude
- #1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2008-08-17 14:45 - (Reply)
you mustn't be a funny guy, that was a joke Comments ()
Don S
- #2 - 2008-08-16 18:39 - (Reply)
"The United States is not particularly tolerant of seemingly hostile states in its near abroad either" Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1 - 2008-08-16 19:26 - (Reply)
And almost 1,4000 people, Mexican and American citizens, have been murdered along the US-Mexico border just this year. Sometimes with the active participation of the Mexican police, judiciary or the army. There have been at least four documented cases of Mexican Army soldiers crossing the border. One incident in Texas had a platoon of Mexican Army soldiers stopping and searching cars near El Paso but that one ended when the soldiers began to wonder why their promised lunch and water hadn't shown up and when they figured out were they were they asked a bus driver to take them back to the crossing at Juarez. Comments ()
quo vadis
- #3 - 2008-08-16 18:47 - (Reply)
I believe that Russian policy is smart but ruthless, and that ruthlessness is more a feature of autocratic governments. The competition for power in autocratic governments, unchecked by democratic processes, tend to favor the most ambitious and ruthless of competitors and the resulting governments and their policies tend to reflect this. In the end you always wind up with Stalin. Comments ()
Don S
- #3.1 - 2008-08-16 19:26 - (Reply)
Quo, I agree tht this is possibly Putin's thinking, but I think if so he's mistaken - that energy won't be as determinative the next decade as it has been this one. Comments ()
quo vadis
- #3.1.1 - 2008-08-17 16:45 - (Reply)
Don, Comments ()
Don S
- #3.1.1.1 - 2008-08-17 18:52 - (Reply)
Quo, perhaps so. But you are talking about long-term trends, and I think that oil markets have been getting ahead of themselves. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3.1.1.1.1 - 2008-08-18 12:02 - (Reply)
Don S-I think this article from Science Daily is an example of new sources of biofuels. There was not only this press release but also a tv article which naturally scared the pants off of some activist group, isn't there always, when the words E. Coli and bio-engineered were noticed. I'm surprised that no one noticed that this is a profit making venture between UCLA and a local researcher based company called Gevo. Remember profit bad, Gaia good! Link below! Comments ()
Don S
- #3.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-08-18 22:48 - (Reply)
Sometimes this kind of attitude toward GM seems like the rankest superstition. Other criticisms of some GM techniques seem justified, such as the GM crops made heavily resistant to pesticides so that farmers can nuke the weeds out of the field with massive spraying of pesticide. It seems unbalanced, has a bad effect on other wildlife, and surely is bad for the ground water. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3.1.1.1.2 - 2008-08-18 12:14 - (Reply)
Don S-Here's at least one article, from Science Daily. A longer version is in comment purgatory. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080106202952.htm Comments ()
Nanne
- #3.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-08-18 17:17 - (Reply)
Both wound up in purgatory :-) Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #3.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-08-19 01:21 - (Reply)
Thanks, I promise to use the BBCode next time. Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #4 - 2008-08-22 22:13 - (Reply)
I've just [url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4547883.ece]read[/url] (thanks to Josh57) about Russia's threats to place nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad, Belarus, and perhaps even Cuba. Talk about a disproportionate response! Comments ()
quo vadis
- #4.1 - 2008-08-22 23:29 - (Reply)
I’ve been thinking about the path Russia has chosen over the last 10 years or so and I think they may have made some serious errors that put Russia’s future position in the world at risk. They may be realizing that there are consequences to their heavy handedness that are going to become increasingly apparent to ordinary Russians. Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #4.2 - 2008-08-23 04:38 - (Reply)
Quite a bit of the bluster that Ch. Kruschev exchibited during the Cuban Crisis turned out to be based on a mere threat of a few missiles, non-nuclear as it turned out, in exchange for the US secretly abandoning their ICBM bases in Turkey. Plus pushing the Cubans further into the orbit of the Soviets. Considering how reliant on conscripts Russia is one would think that spending on professionalization would be a much more serious threat to the West then as John pointed out placing missiles and assets "...in hard-to-defend places." Comments ()
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