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War in the CaucasusPosted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Friday, August 8. 2008 CNN reports:
Please share interesting links to analyses in the mainstream media and blogosphere or write your own analyses on this escalating situation in the comment section. I am most interested in policy recommendations for the European and US governments. Kyle Atwell has already asked the the big question "Will Europe and the US come to Georgia's aid?" in an Atlantic Review post in May 2008, when NATO membership for Georgia was discussed: Georgia Conflict: Should NATO Marry the Small Kid on the Playground?
Behind the hostilities in South Ossetia are two nations that have long been spoiling for a fight, with Russia eager to show it's boss in the region and U.S.-backed Georgia determined to prove it can stand up to its huge neighbor. With Vladimir Putin in Beijing for the Olympic opening ceremony and the world's attention fixed on China, Georgia may have been betting it could pounce on an opportunity to quickly wrest control of its breakaway province. But the gamble may backfire: Washington hasn't endorsed Georgia's power play, and Moscow's counteroffensive has brought the two sides into a fight it will be hard for Georgia, a former Soviet state, to win. My best guess would be that Russia will not go far beyond South Ossetia and will then only escalate further when Georgia launches a counterattack. This is looking more and more like a major miscalculation by Saakashvili. Welcome! You are reading the ATLANTIC REVIEW -- a Press Digest on Transatlantic Relations combined with commentary and analysis by three young professionals from Germany, the Netherlands and the United States. More about us. The horizontal menu bar at the top helps to navigate this site. Subscribe to one of our RSS-Feeds or to our newsletter, which is emailed twice per month.Trackbacks
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Zyme
- #1 - 2008-08-08 19:43 - (Reply)
There is no room for European interference here. Enforcing the independence of the Kosovo and putting Russia at bay in the Balkans makes only sense if you respect their immediate sphere of influence in Georgia.
SC
- #1.1 - 2008-08-08 20:12 - (Reply)
All together now: All we are saaaaaying is give war a chance," eh?
SC
- #1.2 - 2008-08-08 20:16 - (Reply)
However, wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity for Europe as a whole to demonstrate the efficacy of soft power over hard power?
Zyme
- #1.2.1 - 2008-08-08 20:24 - (Reply)
:)
SC
- #1.2.1.1 - 2008-08-08 21:59 - (Reply)
Oh, but Zyme, "Change" is in the air! Don't you feel it? Why it was in Berlin just a short time ago. :P
Zyme
- #1.2.1.1.1 - 2008-08-08 22:12 - (Reply)
Without a healthy dose of cynicism, observing contemporary politics can drive you mad. I am convinced that you are safe though :)
Fuchur
- #1.3 - 2008-08-08 20:21 - (Reply)
In the end a long-lasting conflict can be solved once and for all.
Zyme
- #1.3.1 - 2008-08-08 20:32 - (Reply)
I would say that in the post-modern world, the positive effects of war are neglected. Why endure decades of separatism and counter-separatism, a fragile stability everytime from sunrise to sunset if something that cannot be solved diplomatically can be resolved by one major offensive? All these tensions will be discharged by one thunderstorm.
SC
- #1.3.1.1 - 2008-08-09 06:18 - (Reply)
Zyme, you might find the following article of interest in that it presents the essence of your thesis. The article was written by Edward Luttwak and appeared in the the July/August edition from 1999 of Foreign Affairs and is titled - you guessed it - "Give War a Chance". Here's a link to an open source version of it:
Zyme
- #1.3.1.1.1 - 2008-08-09 12:10 - (Reply)
Thank you for the link!
SC
- #1.3.1.1.1.1 - 2008-08-10 02:03 - (Reply)
I'm using dial-up here at home (yeah, I'm a dinosaur) so I'll check the video in my university office. But from what you describe, my first guess is that Saakashvili is primarily concerned with reassuring his domestic audience. I rather imagine that after the most recent Russian airstrikes deep into Georgia (Hmm . . . not far beyond South Ossetia you say, Joerg? You don't have too go far beyond to completely engulf Georgia.) ordinary Georgians are feeling a wee bit alone and abandoned. Maybe he wants to give his audience the impression that Georgia has the support of the EU in the face of the Russian attacks.
SC
- #1.3.1.1.1.2 - 2008-08-10 03:07 - (Reply)
By the way, I'm certain you are correct in connecting this with Western recognition of Kosovo. Whether that made sense or not can be debated another time. What I seem to recall is that Russia, in response, suggested that it would recognize South Ossetian and Abkhazian independence from Georgia if they "chose" it.
Don S
- #1.3.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-08-10 18:55 - (Reply)
SC, I think Georgians should consider changing their national anthem, whatever it is.
SC
- #1.3.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-08-10 19:23 - (Reply)
"Back in the USSR. You don't know how lucky you are boy. Back in the US, back in the US, back in the USSR. . . ."
Marie-Claude
- #1.5 - 2008-08-09 01:40 - (Reply)
Im on the same wave, not our business !!!
Zyme
- #1.5.1 - 2008-08-09 11:42 - (Reply)
Yes it seems they have called home their soldiers from Iraq:
Joe Noory
- #1.6 - 2008-08-09 22:41 - (Reply)
So if there's any kind of aggression involved, regardless of any sort of information being present, that the US caused it, and that Europe would be wise to do nothing and judgementally prognosticate and sneer later.
Anton
- #2 - 2008-08-08 20:22 - (Reply)
Why your channels don't show all videos from Georgia??? ONLY TANKS!!! I can give you links for other videos. I'm Russian, my best friend is Georgian. 60% people of Georgia hate Saakhashvili. My friend from Tbelisi said few days ago Georgia mobiled reserv soldiers. Tbilisi prepare this action. Russia is safe Russian citizens from GEORGIAN's AGRESSION!!!
Roman from Nizhny Novgorod
- #3 - 2008-08-08 20:31 - (Reply)
Russia is just defending its citizens (a lot of peace people under Georgia’s fire). Russian peace forces with UN madate also were under Georgia’s direct fire - at least 10 dead and 30 wounded during this day! It’s a defending and completely adequate answer to the perfidious agression of Georgia and its genocide in relation to the Ossetians people (this night Georgia fired scools, hospitals and peace population by rocket installations “GRAD” and Georgia’s tanks). About 90% of people in the South Ossetia are citizens of Russia. A lot of dead in the Tkeshelashvili city. This city is ruined almost completely by Georhia’s fire during this night and day.
Roman from Nizhny Novgorod
- #3.1 - 2008-08-08 20:45 - (Reply)
In my comment the city is Tskhinvali (South Ossetian capital) of course, sorry for this copy past mistake.
Anonymous
- #4 - 2008-08-08 20:33 - (Reply)
Saakashvili must return to his masters. Take him back, please.
Anton
- #5 - 2008-08-08 20:38 - (Reply)
Hey, our opponents don't see posts. May be messages from Russia censored???
Andrei Li
- #6 - 2008-08-08 20:42 - (Reply)
Saakashvili is a liar. It is very interesting how CNN cover that story. Georgia started first and killed some Russian and then Russians invaded. I thought that CNN is better..
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #7 - 2008-08-08 20:52 - (Reply)
I have posted a few links to relevant articles over at
Anton
- #8 - 2008-08-08 20:55 - (Reply)
OK guys, our American friends won't discuse with us!!! USA propagand ministry work 100%. We just stupid bears with nuclear weapon. And USA is greatest country of the world with very intellegent president :) Lets go to mail.ru :)
Nanne
- #8.1 - 2008-08-08 21:17 - (Reply)
In the context of war it's not good to have fun, but the Russian comments here are at least very revealing.
Anton
- #8.1.1 - 2008-08-08 21:35 - (Reply)
I heve fun your strange politic. CNN comments and reports. And fun abot all your not clever people. I have friends in Tbelisi, Vladikavkaz, Kursk, Yalta, Kiyev, Kharkov, Batumi, Erevan, Moscow. I live in Moscow and I born in Moscow, my wife is from Yalta (Crimea, Ukrain). In my organisation works 5 Ukranian citizens, 3 Tadjikhistan citizens and 3 Moldavian. NO ONE HAPPINES in self country, and all hate America. It's too very revealing. Don't see???
Ginger
- #8.2 - 2008-08-09 05:37 - (Reply)
people don't be sad!
Yuri
- #9 - 2008-08-08 21:13 - (Reply)
What"s a fucking sticking lie was writes by CNN? Georgians killed 1500 civilians... and then Russian troops entered. Why CNN writes lies? This is american fucking democracy...
Marty
- #10 - 2008-08-08 21:30 - (Reply)
Just a short comment from Czech Republic. I hear Saakashvili to compare Czechoslovak invasion by Varszaw pact in 1968. It is nonsense - we did not shoot to Russians and did not provoke them militarily before the 68 invasion started. It is a lie ....
Anton
- #10.1 - 2008-08-08 21:40 - (Reply)
Thanks... First adecvated not Russian post!!! What really situation about American anti-aircraft bases???
Marty
- #10.1.1 - 2008-08-08 21:50 - (Reply)
Just business as usual - it is radar:-) Not anti aircratft base:-)
Anton
- #11 - 2008-08-08 21:44 - (Reply)
Why are you ling about Georgia? Why you don't say, that Georgian attack South Ossetian yesterday, and kill many civilian? Why?
tony
- #12 - 2008-08-08 21:44 - (Reply)
This is bull shit.
Andrei Li
- #12.1 - 2008-08-08 21:59 - (Reply)
Dear Tony!
dmitry
- #13 - 2008-08-08 21:50 - (Reply)
Dear CNN viewers! Please be aware that the rocket launchers shredding Tskhinvali are not Russian - they are Georgian. And that's the way Saakashvili sees the police action - by multiple rocket launchers.
Nanne
- #14 - 2008-08-08 21:57 - (Reply)
The CNN story does wash out the fact that this started when the Georgians launched a major offensive against the capital of South Ossetia in the early morning. They have covered that in other stories earlier today, though. See this report:
Andrei Li
- #14.1 - 2008-08-08 22:09 - (Reply)
You are right. The question is why CNN cover the story in that way. What might happen next?
Anton
- #14.2 - 2008-08-08 22:10 - (Reply)
Oh... Main word in this post SOVIET :)))) LOL SOVIET=FEAR LOL!!! :))) Russia eager to show it's boss in the region LOL!!! Russia safe Georgia from Turkish genocide, safe from Greatest Osman Imperia in 18-th century. Oh, sorry, American don't learn history... Only Civilian War North-South. For what eager to show boss??? Stupid words...
Anton
- #14.3 - 2008-08-08 22:18 - (Reply)
I hope yours vote for Obama...
Bosest
- #15 - 2008-08-08 21:59 - (Reply)
PEOPLE DO NOT TRUST THAT SPEAK mass-media!!!!! There is an INFORMATION WAR!!! FROM FOR AGGRESSIONS GRUZII it is killed THOUSAND INHABITANTS OSETII, OSSETS NOT SEPERATISTY LEARN HISTORY of the LORD And THEN ALREADY SOMETHING WRITE!!!! IN DAYS OF STALINA In particular!!!! I LIVE In Russia In SMALL CITY to me!; YEARS BUT I ITO KNOW THAT OCCURS ACTUALLY!!!! DO NOT GIVE ITSELF OBMONUT the AMERICAN CONSPIRATORS!!!!! HAS written THIS SMALL TEXT FOR YOU
Zyme
- #15.1 - 2008-08-08 22:07 - (Reply)
To everyone trying to unfold conspiracies - please do it in ordinary letters.
Nanne
- #15.1.1 - 2008-08-08 23:08 - (Reply)
You have to go along with the fun here, Zyme.
Aektann
- #16 - 2008-08-08 22:57 - (Reply)
oh my god! IT'S ALL FALSE!!! MASS MEDIA - FALSE!!!
J-Livingston
- #18 - 2008-08-08 23:00 - (Reply)
It is all lies. Georgia first attacked South Osetiya. At night 8-9 of august, Georgian tropes attaked the S. Osetiya's capital and killed more than 1400 people and 12 russian peace soldiers, the next day russin tanks entered South Osetiya to protect their people and soldiers. Everything that say Georgian politics is lies. And world news don't show any Russian politics. It is an information war of the USA
BOB
- #19 - 2008-08-08 23:00 - (Reply)
Georgia MUST DIE. . . And SNN say Russia attack Georgia? :LOL:
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #21 - 2008-08-08 23:05 - (Reply)
Dear Russian commenters,
J-Livingston
- #21.1 - 2008-08-08 23:23 - (Reply)
No, because 97% of people living in S.Osetiya are Russian, and have Russian paspors. In 1990 started the war between Osetiya and Georgia, because Georgia wanted to dismiss some rights of this part of country. Than russian peace soldiers were entered at the conflict zone. And yesterday at 23:35 o'clock, Georgian tropes started the missile attack on the S.Osetiya's capital. Tell me, if it is the part of Georgian, why they started the missile attack? Why the killed the peace soldiers of Russia? Russian tanks enter the S.Osetiya only 12 hours late after Georgia started the war, and killed many non-militar people.
I Believe I Can Fly
- #22 - 2008-08-08 23:07 - (Reply)
Greetings! Your telechannels show not that that actually! Georgia has attacked South Ossetia, shoots inhabitants and peacemakers! Also declares that åòî Russia has attacked Georgia! Here esteem http: // lenta.ru/I think to you î÷ it will be interesting!
fox
- #25 - 2008-08-08 23:21 - (Reply)
This conflict is a provocation from georgian side!
Viewer
- #26 - 2008-08-08 23:30 - (Reply)
It is not surprising that 99% of the blog responses are from Russians, which clearly shows how strong their renewed propaganda and control of mass media are.
Zyme
- #26.1 - 2008-08-08 23:37 - (Reply)
"It is not surprising that 99% of the blog responses are from Russians, which clearly shows how strong their renewed propaganda and control of mass media are."
Anonymous
- #26.2 - 2008-08-08 23:42 - (Reply)
Ok let's see)
Roman from Nizhny Novgorod
- #26.3 - 2008-08-08 23:51 - (Reply)
First of all, Russians are answers here because we don't want this war. At least for me this is so. I'm 36 years old and have two sons 7 and 13. I'm really needn't this war and even the South Osetiya territory.
McSimKammerer
- #26.4 - 2008-08-09 00:42 - (Reply)
>In any case claims that Georgia would suddenly start to attack its own citizens can't be serious.
Viewer
- #27.1 - 2008-08-09 00:46 - (Reply)
I agree with inyourmind. So far here are only Russians posting to each other which I find very interesting as a sociologist, so I guess any further comments on this matter would just intensify their reaction.
McSimKammerer
- #27.1.1 - 2008-08-09 01:08 - (Reply)
Russians so active in posting, because many people here have distorted representation about truth.
Ginger
- #28.1 - 2008-08-09 06:08 - (Reply)
Dear Viewer,
StopGang
- #29 - 2008-08-09 00:40 - (Reply)
Crime always had power in Russia and it is restoring Еvil Еmpire about 15 years, while West sleeps. I won't be surprised if in news will appear something like "Russian tanks moving into Belarus to protect Lukashenko". Only in Ukraine they failed with Lukashenko-2.
StopGang
- #29.1.1 - 2008-08-09 08:21 - (Reply)
In fact, to see real evil you had to place KGB colonel Putin there :) . Fascism was defected , but red fascism feels very good in Russia.
McSimKammerer
- #29.1.1.1 - 2008-08-09 11:00 - (Reply)
What is the "red fascism"? About WHAT you say? I dont understand you. Semantically, not because my poor english.
McSimKammerer
- #29.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-08-09 20:21 - (Reply)
I see StopGang too much active in comments with russophobian propoganda stock phrases "KGB", "colonel Putin", "red fascism"...
Nikita from moscow
- #29.2 - 2008-08-09 01:28 - (Reply)
You don't know anything about Russia. Nobody killed chechens, most of chechens wanted to live with Russia, and now they do it with peace.
StopGang
- #29.2.1 - 2008-08-09 08:47 - (Reply)
I know russia very good. I even can tell you how population of Belarus is beaten by gum sticks to force them into "union with russia".
Serg
- #29.3 - 2008-08-09 01:47 - (Reply)
Bravo!!! What can one add to this? "Evil Empire", "West sleeps"... Jeez! Watching Star Wars before CNN? Sorry... could not help my self some times. To be fare to others these are not the only pearls of wisdom in this blog.
StopGang
- #29.3.1 - 2008-08-09 08:41 - (Reply)
Having russia nearby there's no need to see Star Wars. There will be enough Dirty Wars.
Anton
- #29.4 - 2008-08-09 09:48 - (Reply)
LOL LOL LOL
StopGang
- #29.4.1 - 2008-08-09 13:03 - (Reply)
LOL
Nikita from Moscow
- #30 - 2008-08-09 00:53 - (Reply)
http://lenta.ru/news/2008/08/09/anew/
Alexander (Moscoe-based)
- #31 - 2008-08-09 00:54 - (Reply)
"Saakashvili's biggest miscalculation"... well I doubt this. For him, it appears more like a win-win situation. In any case, his strategy towards Georgia's joining NATO gets a boost given the aggressive image of Russia. Towards his own people, he can now say he has done his best to reunite Georgia.
Alexander (Moscow-based)
- #31.1.1 - 2008-08-09 16:11 - (Reply)
Ooops, sorry. Moscow-based of course. BTW, that doesn't necessarily mean being biased, brainwashed, etc. I've followed closely CNN, BBC, and Russian channels from the very beginning of the conflict. While Russian media clearly supports the Russian version of events (what else can you expect, eh?), but, frankly, I expected a better coverage from CNN and BBC. Apart from videos (which may be interpreted either way), it would not hurt to invite some real experts to talk. Not just someone from Palo Alto with whatever degree in political science :-)
McSimKammerer
- #31.1.1.1 - 2008-08-10 00:25 - (Reply)
Sorry for later answer :)
Nikita from Moscow
- #32 - 2008-08-09 01:35 - (Reply)
I reccomend everybody listen not only Georgian or American news, but read Russian news sites too, so you can receive more objective information.
J.Livingston
- #33 - 2008-08-09 01:46 - (Reply)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm
McSimKammerer
- #33.1 - 2008-08-09 02:33 - (Reply)
Example of "most objective point of vision":
Nikita from Moscow
- #33.1.1 - 2008-08-09 02:39 - (Reply)
Yes, Georgian tropes wear uniform of the US army.
StopGang
- #33.1.2 - 2008-08-09 08:31 - (Reply)
"Let's play to WAR..." - exactly what russia does. Oh yeah, and looks like FSB/KGB again attacs internet :)
McSimKammerer
- #33.1.2.1 - 2008-08-09 10:52 - (Reply)
"Let's play to WAR..." - exactly what Georgia does. Lets discussing like a child :)
StopGang
- #33.1.2.1.1 - 2008-08-09 14:08 - (Reply)
Just press button "Power" and your zombie box will start to speak.
StopGang
- #33.1.2.1.2 - 2008-08-09 20:18 - (Reply)
"War is not funny."
Pat Patterson
- #35 - 2008-08-09 03:58 - (Reply)
How will the successor state of Russia and the other CIS members square the promise and signature in 1992, "...to recognize Georgia in its borders?" Russia very well may claim to have a moral right to the area but since they recognized the borders how will they recognize South Ossetia and then have a legal leg to stand on in regards Kaliningrad or its Far Eastern provinces when China begins to suggest that these lands are historically and culturally not Russian.
Roman (K)
- #36 - 2008-08-09 07:57 - (Reply)
I think Saakashvili always wanted to play the game.
From Russian With Love
- #37 - 2008-08-09 08:28 - (Reply)
We don't want war!
StopGang
- #37.1 - 2008-08-09 08:38 - (Reply)
Who did calculate? Were russian tanks already inside ?
Bill
- #37.1.1 - 2008-08-09 09:23 - (Reply)
When people were killed russian tanks were not inside Tskhinvali. 1400 is aproximate count. Russian correpondents were there under attack.
Viewer
- #37.2 - 2008-08-09 08:58 - (Reply)
This is a random number named by Russian mass media. "Dont be stupide !!!"
People
- #38 - 2008-08-09 08:42 - (Reply)
People. Don't belive the americam news. When I have looked the American news, I was horrified! All is presented so as if Russia has attacked Georgia. It is lie. Was lost already 1400 person (for incomplete day) which have killed the Georgian armies, 15 peacemakers who too have killed the Georgian armies, how many are necessary for you still victims that you have started to think. Georgians make a genocide concerning the osset. All peace population, those who was in time or could, rescues itself leaving in Russia. It is very bad, that you do not know Russian. You would have an opportunity to read except for the American press also Russian-speaking. And two sources of the information is better than one. But there is a decision - at Google there is a translator of pages. Having translated, you will have an opportunity to read not only CNN (CNN, speak by the way frank boxes, probably same, as well as in days of the beginning of the Iraq war).You will have an opportunity to read both the Georgian news, and Russian. Already three sources of the information independent from each other!
THE TRUTH: GEORGIA ATTACKS OSSETIA!
- #39 - 2008-08-09 08:42 - (Reply)
Every person should not believe in what Mass Media tells. It is only the plan of politics. All this info is the whole outrageous lie. I'm from Osetia and I know that Geogia attack my nation, my motherland at night. They bagan their dirty business. They killed more than 1500 civilians. They killed russian peace-maker. They took prisoners. Everything what u can whatch on Tv was done ONLY by Georgia. If the Russian forces didn't come the WHOLE Ossetian nation would die. THE WORLD MUST KNOW THE TRUTH.
George
- #40 - 2008-08-09 09:08 - (Reply)
Hi All!
Anton
- #41.1 - 2008-08-09 10:18 - (Reply)
I try translate for our American friends.
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #42 - 2008-08-09 10:21 - (Reply)
Dear Russian friends,
Serg
- #42.1 - 2008-08-09 11:20 - (Reply)
Dear Joerg,
StopGang
- #42.2 - 2008-08-09 13:12 - (Reply)
Just to replace agressors troops with international forces.
StopGang
- #42.2.2 - 2008-08-09 14:49 - (Reply)
If there will be international support - Russia will withdraw.
Roman from Nizhny Novgorod
- #42.3 - 2008-08-09 16:52 - (Reply)
Policy recommendations for the European and US governments concerning this conflict:
Anton
- #43 - 2008-08-09 10:35 - (Reply)
I recomend catch Saakhashvili and judge him in Gaaga. Make united church-office for death people. And help to reconstruct Tskhinvali. Later make new DEMOCRATIAN voted and choose new president. And recognize autonomy of S. Osetia, Abkhazia compound Georgia. I say AUTONOMY, not INDEPENDENT!!!
ha ha
- #43.1 - 2008-08-09 10:49 - (Reply)
It's pure idealism.
McSimKammerer
- #43.1.1 - 2008-08-09 10:57 - (Reply)
Exactly after Kosovo precendent!
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #43.1.1.1 - 2008-08-09 11:06 - (Reply)
What do you mean with the reference to these "precedents"?
McSimKammerer
- #43.1.1.1.1 - 2008-08-09 11:38 - (Reply)
Kosovo - S.Ossetia
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #43.2 - 2008-08-09 11:08 - (Reply)
"judge him in Gaaga."
ha ha Re: Anton
- #44 - 2008-08-09 10:38 - (Reply)
CNN also shows Georgian installation of rocket fire, which leads fire on residential areas of Tshinvali and comments it as "Russian troops invasion".
StopGang
- #45 - 2008-08-09 12:46 - (Reply)
Still there's accessible site in Georgia.
Zyme
- #46 - 2008-08-09 14:28 - (Reply)
Still did nobody notice that all TV footage from the President of Georgia during this fighting shows him sitting next to a flag of the EU ?
Nanne
- #46.1 - 2008-08-09 17:16 - (Reply)
That gets him designated as 'pro-western' in the press. Doesn't spur any real action to support him in this on part of the west, though. It's a bit silly, as Georgia is not an EU country and likely won't be allowed into negotiations for the next 10 years.
Alexander (Moscow-based)
- #46.2 - 2008-08-09 19:10 - (Reply)
I wonder why the Pesident of Georgia isn't using the NATO flag in the same manner as well. That would make more sense, as Georgia's EU membershop is not even being discussed yet. Anyway, the flag's is plain propaganda setup, and barely leagal, IMHO.
StopGang
- #47 - 2008-08-09 20:12 - (Reply)
1 russian terrorist detained.
Anton
- #47.1 - 2008-08-09 20:38 - (Reply)
Terrorists are all you Americans people. Hogs, Emigrants, Crimes, this your "nation" without history and ethnos. All yours accomplishments is a genocide Red Indians and piteous state of White people compere "Afroamericans".
StopGang
- #48 - 2008-08-09 20:15 - (Reply)
Here are results of russian bombing:
Anton
- #49 - 2008-08-09 20:18 - (Reply)
I thouth Amirica save Economy with Iran war (not Iraq don't mistake our Yankie friends :) Candolisa choose other way. More faithless.
StopGang
- #49.1 - 2008-08-09 20:28 - (Reply)
Iraq(former), Luka, Iran, Venezualla , North Korea are your friends that help Russia to rise oil prices?
McSimKammerer
- #49.1.1 - 2008-08-09 20:34 - (Reply)
Why Iraq is former? Because your friends want lower prices of oil despite many deaths of peaceful people?
McSimKammerer
- #50 - 2008-08-09 20:25 - (Reply) I see StopGang too much active in comments with russophobian propoganda stock phrases "KGB", "colonel Putin", "red fascism"... |
