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Tuesday, June 17. 2008Europeans Tend to See Germany as "Leader" of EuropePosted by Joerg Wolf in European Issues, German Politics on Tuesday, June 17. 2008
I learned about this poll in the US Embassy's InfoAlert, which recommends many other interesting articles from the last two months as well, especially regarding the future of NATO. Trackbacks
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Joe Noory
- #1 - 2008-06-17 22:38 - (Reply)
All well and good, but where there is a crisis within continetal Europe and its' boundaries, such as with the Balkans, Georgia, potential missile hockey, seizing Lybian cetrefuges, easing EU absorption of Baltics and Romania by way of NATO MAPping, the State Department and White House appear to be doing some of that leaderly stuff under the radar. Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #2 - 2008-06-18 02:27 - (Reply)
"I learned about this poll in the US Embassy's InfoAlert" Franchie? US conspiracy to make France look bad? To divide Europe? You've accused us of this many times, with much less evidence. Now that you have some evidence, why not accuse us (again) and make yourself feel good for a little while? Comments ()
Franchie
- #2.1 - 2008-06-18 08:41 - (Reply)
johnny, I don't feel concerned, but you DO actually Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1 - 2008-06-18 11:17 - (Reply)
Perhaps one might do some research on American attitudes toward Sarkozy first. He became a darling of the mainstream press, named one of the best dressed with Beckham and Pitt by Vanity Fair, and attracted some positive notice but generally is regarded now as yet just another European leader that can't seem to not step on his own fleshy appendage. Never mind leading the other nations of Europe in a reversal of attitude toward the US. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 13:33 - (Reply)
"Sarkozy was less pro-American than Americans might wish and more pro-Sarkozy then they might admit" Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 14:39 - (Reply)
Amazing. It's the 21st century, and there are European trying to make demons and look for the Jews hiding under their beds. Between that, and your assumption about Americans not knowing about the Ike quote that every American already knows says a lot. You: Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 15:16 - (Reply)
you like to play (jongler) with the clichés and twist the first meaning of a sentence in something ununderstandable Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 15:53 - (Reply)
The fact that you can find one person out of 302 million to say something like that doesn't mean that that many American men all want her. To think otherwise is to get carried away. Look - things are not as singular and uniform in America. Culturally, it's a continent, not an island. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 16:04 - (Reply)
funny, when someone is not sure of his argumentation,or wants absolutely have reason, he usely accuse me of ignorance LMAO Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.1.1.2 - 2008-06-19 01:28 - (Reply)
The reviews are mixed, actually: Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2 - 2008-06-18 14:46 - (Reply)
But I notice you have not coherently refuted the argument that I made that conservative thought in the US, unlike your claim that they loved Sarkozy or the almost anti-Semitic comment that he is admired because of Jewish ancestry, does not and did not have a great deal of confidence in him as being any more pro-American that Chirac. But if changing the subject or ignoring contradictory positions is your modus operandi then you certainly cannot expect much sympathy or even serious engagement. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-06-18 15:26 - (Reply)
again I return your "moral" lesson, if you can't read a word, or write a word, then your not an historian Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-06-18 17:13 - (Reply)
I shouldn't judge yourself that harshly but a link to bolster your claim would be better than just making stuff up. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 18:08 - (Reply)
there are article of press agencies that are put on board, I don't fancy to digg into the blog archives to find them, though they are fitted in a complaisant way toward the Sarkomania, I don't mean that the place represent the whole percentage of the republicans, but the pro-military's, the religious' the Bush lovers', (Don gave me once a number). They also participate to Memri, Daniel Pipes think-tank, ME egyptian blog... Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 21:25 - (Reply)
Why not simply type in something to the effect of "Sarkozy popular with conservatives," instead of making excuses over nonexistent scholarship? Devil's advocate, hardly, more like that poor special child that wears a padded helmet and his imaginary friends that finds things for him. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 21:44 - (Reply)
yeah, and what about yours, professor Zebulon ? Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 22:02 - (Reply)
OK, but maybe you ought to read the link first before implying that Pat Dollard was a fan of Sarkozy. The link is in reference to the just released white paper concerning defense cutbacks and possible better cooperation with NATO by the French. Plus the photo at the top of the article seems to show two French soldiers in a rather compromising embrace with each other. But thanks for the link I've never seen two guys in uniform pose like that before. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 22:26 - (Reply)
you didn'read the comments,the pic was a joke from my best friend Drill, a texan woman with whom I am exchanging "civilities" and teasings ; and neither scoll down the whole page where there are many others articles onSarko or his wife Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-18 23:37 - (Reply)
The comments? Ok, now you are not even trying to be serious. Or is it ok if I quote you to prove that all French are lazy and incoherent because I read it in the comments? And none of those other articles show an abiding conservative faith in Sarkozy excepts as an object of ineptness with a very attractive wife. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 02:18 - (Reply)
hahaha, Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 03:14 - (Reply)
That's precisely my point you don't seem able to find them. Which means that "they" don't exist. Besides I'm not to sure who "us" is other than simply another change in subject. Easy to do, show how conservatives were enamoured of Sarkozy? I'll even broaden the parameters and include before and after the election? Time to put up or shut up! Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 09:08 - (Reply)
As much as I want to encourage Franchie to do her own research and support her statements, like we all try to, in this case I happen to know she was correct and I will happily say so. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-19 11:12 - (Reply)
Thank you John Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 18:14 - (Reply)
"your doing journalism studies aren't you ?" Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 19:26 - (Reply)
John, nevermind, sometimes I live in another planet :lol: Comments ()
Pat Patterson
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 - 2008-06-19 12:26 - (Reply)
There is always an outlier, but thanks John for showing that research to support a point of view is possible. But I think franchie still has a ways to go to prove that conservatives were enamoured with Sarkozy while I think you're own particular take is probably closer to the mark. Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-06-19 18:24 - (Reply)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/05/27/france.responses/index.html Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-06-20 17:21 - (Reply)
Am I to understand that if ONE President with a 6 year term says a few nice things about the US, all of the tactical undermining, verbal and cultural abuse by the public, obsessive hatred - that all of that should just be forgotten? Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2008-06-20 18:36 - (Reply)
Joe you like to stirr the old pains, it's your commercial agenda ! Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.3 - 2008-06-19 15:05 - (Reply)
How is it that we live in a world where opinions are taken to be more important than actions? As we've noted earlier, Americans are just revieved that we get a pause from the the decades old presistent and inherent cultural demonization. Comments ()
John in Michigan, USA
- #2.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 - 2008-06-19 09:17 - (Reply)
[url=http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20645]C'est Si Bon[/url] Comments ()
Joe Noory
- #2.1.2 - 2008-06-18 13:09 - (Reply)
If you want a new de Gaulle, then why do you accept unquestioningly every [i]fantasme gauchiste[/i] opinion piece you see as fact? Comments ()
franchie
- #2.1.2.1 - 2008-06-18 13:23 - (Reply)
hein ? Comments ()
Hugo Santos
- #3 - 2009-05-25 16:32 - (Reply)
It is said that germany is the engine of Europe's economy... Comments ()
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