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"Europeans Mourn End of Bush's Presidency"Posted by Joerg Wolf in Transatlantic Relations on Wednesday, March 26. 2008
Joel Brinkley, a professor of journalism at Stanford University, writes about the Brussels Forum in the SF Chronicle:
Many European leaders will be saddened to see President Bush leave the White House next year. No, they won't miss his soaring inspirational rhetoric, collegial foreign policy or sophisticated knowledge of the world. What worries many Europeans is that their free pass is about to expire. Not since Richard Nixon's final year in office have foreign leaders been so free to say no to Washington with few if any political repercussions. In fact, for the last few years, agreeing with the White House has held greater political risks than snubbing Bush and his aides. Yes, most political observers (at least in Berlin) believe that it will be harder for European governments to say no to a new president. I, however, think that German and European public opinion on issues like Afghanistan or Iran is not going to change, when a new president is inaugurated in the United States. European politicians will find plenty of good (and not so good) reasons to say no. Besides, 2009 is an election year in Germany. Don't expect any changes in our Afghanistan policy until after the elections. Welcome! You are reading the ATLANTIC REVIEW -- a Press Digest on Transatlantic Relations combined with commentary and analysis by four young professionals from Germany, the Netherlands and the United States. More about us. The horizontal menu bar at the top helps to navigate this site. Subscribe to one of our RSS-Feeds or to our newsletter, which is emailed twice per month.Trackbacks
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Anonymous
- #1 - 2008-03-26 11:54 - (Reply)
I fully agree with Joerg. Aside from Germany, I also cannot imagine Gordon Brown to become another american poodle. With him, the british focus in politics seems to have moved to the continent instead.
Joe Noory
- #2 - 2008-03-26 14:37 - (Reply)
The names listed on the Brussels Forum reveal a pattern. I suspect they reached out to certain people assuming that a democrat would be in the white house next year given the limited number of right-leaning "headliners" like Zoellick. This has a 50/50 chance of working out badly for them. They would do better to cover both parties to get what they want: a potential proponent with connections whoever wins the election in November.
Nanne
- #2.1 - 2008-03-26 21:32 - (Reply)
I also spot Bob Kagan and Michael Chertoff in the crowd. And, as Drezner gossips, Holbrooke seems to believe that he'll be in the state department regardless of who wins the presidency.
franchie
- #3 - 2008-03-26 14:53 - (Reply)
anonimous,
Joe Noory
- #3.1 - 2008-03-26 19:18 - (Reply)
So Apghans have nothing to do with it, I guess. It's those "neocons" of course!... I see. Are you going to count Lebanon and regime change in Cote D'Ivoire in there as well?
franchie
- #3.1.1 - 2008-03-26 22:02 - (Reply)
jojo, are you half-French, half-Brit, half-American, half-Arab... from ancestry ? so, as I already told you, if your not happy with us, get the fuck off, there are many places in the world thout would take profit of your science ; ah, might-be your not courageous enough, it's good to stay safe in France and spit on it ;
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #3.1.1.1 - 2008-03-26 22:47 - (Reply)
No more "name-calling" ("jojo") and getting personal ("might-be your not courageous enough") please.
Detlef
- #4 - 2008-03-26 20:39 - (Reply)
Just wait. :)
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #4.1 - 2008-03-26 21:08 - (Reply)
Thanks, Detlef. Very interesting.
David
- #4.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 01:27 - (Reply)
Condoleezza would be the dream candidate for the Democrats. I imagine a continuous video loop of her on Meet the Press solemnly warning about Saddam's "Mushroom Clouds". Next to Cheney she was the most effective liar. But every lie is on tape.
Elisabetta
- #4.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 04:51 - (Reply)
I dont know that you should be too celebratory yet. She was provost of Stanford (though the faculty hated her) and does have a Ph.D in IR or some similar toss discipline. She is a coherent and focused public speaker with foreign policy views that run down the middle of State Dept. She is more centrist than any other Republican VP in the last quarter century: GHW Bush, Quayle, or Cheney. Her co-workers seem to respect her and no one vehemently dislikes her outside of the Kos kids' house nigger/aunt jemima fringe.
Pat Patterson
- #4.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 05:45 - (Reply)
Also Sec. Rice was taught by Amb. Albright's father, Josef Korbel, who praised her as the best student he ever had while she studied at the University of Denver. So that would make Amb. Albright the second best. I've noticed that the giddiness of a potential Obama victory has mellowed somewhat into simple insults.
Don S
- #4.2 - 2008-03-26 21:20 - (Reply)
Well, trash-talk about the current US President and nostalgia for past ones is a European tradition, at least where the GOP is concerned.
franchie
- #4.2.1 - 2008-03-26 22:25 - (Reply)
Don, your green, wait, this autonmn you'll get yellow, brown, and "chauve", juanita Banana will be the next tube in DC ; I bet... you prefer Elvis...
Don S
- #4.2.1.1 - 2008-03-27 00:21 - (Reply)
A canrd, franchie, but always with you a surreal canard?
franchie
- #4.2.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 13:11 - (Reply)
hehe, I am a black coin-coin in a yellow-submarine
Joe Noory
- #4.2.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 13:58 - (Reply)
That doesn't make any sense. If it doesn't translate, just say it in French.
franchie
- #4.2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 14:06 - (Reply)
Joe, (eh, I made it)
Pat Patterson
- #4.2.1.1.1.1.2 - 2008-03-27 16:44 - (Reply)
Joe N-Actually franchie has insulted himself as the reference to the "white foot" is from ancient Rome. Slaves from all over the world were brought in through via Appia gate under yolk but not before stepping into trays of chalk dust to indicate their slave status. If that slave prospered or became free the native citizens or aristocracy referred to that white foot much as today we might refer to someone as a hillbilly or nouveau riche. A rube from the country in other words!
franchie
- #4.2.1.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-03-27 16:52 - (Reply)
Mr Patterson, Professor, don't you know that's in the three little piglets tale that you find this request, yeah your historical background is very well researched, though, in the occurence, your trying to see bias, where it's only in your mind ;
Joe Noory
- #4.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-03-27 17:42 - (Reply)
I'm not going there because it's personal, and I have no interest in encouraging it. Rage all you like at me about my opinions, but I do request that at least one of the intellectual decendant of Cartier show more sense than a CGT zombie trying to play "provoc" with anyone who will entertain them.
franchie
- #4.2.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2008-03-27 18:31 - (Reply)
quite funny how you handle the "plebe" in your chic mentality, yeah, I guess I am one of these slaves that had the honor to get the initiation of the chalk dust LIMO
Joe Noory
- #4.3 - 2008-03-27 13:34 - (Reply)
I though the take was that the very opposite would be true - that a Democrat in the WH would require action on the part of the Europeans. A robust US foreign policy gives European governments a good shield against having to contribute manpower and monies in that they can appear to oppose the measure, and that that has the appearance of taking action on the subject.
Don S
- #5 - 2008-03-26 21:56 - (Reply)
"Richard Holbrooke, who was a U.N. ambassador under President Clinton, declared the entire exercise "journalistic gibberish.""
Merkel-3
- #6 - 2008-03-27 03:19 - (Reply)
So interesting here, EU citizens mourn to BUSH's incoming departure. WHat the Yankee is up to? Check this :
Zyme
- #6.1 - 2008-03-27 11:50 - (Reply)
Yes that would be reasonable steps for an american government. But you forgot one aspect: There is little Washington can do here today. The european process has become independent. Even today the majority of laws passed in every member state stems from Brussels. Brussels already has its own budget, currently around 130 billion Euros a year. Also the EU receives the tariffs paid for products that enter its realm. Such points should make its ambitions clear.
Kevin Sampson
- #6.2 - 2008-03-27 23:08 - (Reply)
An interesting point I had not previously considered, now that the various national governments which signed the North Atlantic Charter have been subsumed by the EU, does the charter still have any legal standing?
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #6.2.1 - 2008-03-27 23:19 - (Reply)
NATO is grounded in the UN. As is the EU, if you look at the small print. I can assure you that the finer points of legal hierarchy in international relations are anything but lost on the specialized "eurocrats".
Kevin Sampson
- #6.2.1.1 - 2008-03-28 04:43 - (Reply)
'NATO is grounded in the UN. As is the EU, if you look at the small print. I can assure you that the finer points of legal hierarchy in international relations are anything but lost on the specialized "eurocrats".
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #6.2.1.1.1 - 2008-03-28 06:05 - (Reply)
If the implicit "yes" I provided wasn't clear enough a response, I take it this explicit one should do it.
Kevin Sampson
- #6.2.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-29 01:12 - (Reply)
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #6.2.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-29 01:38 - (Reply)
We don't have a failure of communication; we have a failure of commanding the facts. Article 5 has already been invoked. Very shortly after 9/11.
Anonymous
- #7 - 2008-03-27 06:06 - (Reply)
In other words, Euros just want an excuse to buck the United States at every turn. (Because envy is blind.)
franchie
- #7.1 - 2008-03-27 13:05 - (Reply)
Anonymus
Joe Noory
- #7.1.1 - 2008-03-29 13:23 - (Reply)
I don't know how many times this has to be repeated: jihadists are fighting a religious war. The US is not fighting a religious war. I wish I understood the psychology of these inversions, but is seems geared specifically toward a world view averse to treating objective problems with objective action, preferring subjective, verbal rationalizations as a response to objective physical threats.
Anonymous
- #7.1.1.1 - 2008-03-30 07:37 - (Reply)
Joe
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #8 - 2008-03-27 22:32 - (Reply)
I think it's a pity that Joel Brinkley doesn't elaborate much beyond belaboring the truism that "Europe and the United States, like it or not, remain deeply dependent on each other - no matter the issue, no matter who is president." QUOTE: Speaking about global warning, for example, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the Danish prime minister, plaintively declared: "It's my strong belief that we need strong cross-Atlantic cooperation to face these challenges appropriately and effectively." There's many a slip between "appropriately" and "effectively". My suggestion to US foreign policy advisers is to focus more on that nuance, and a lot less on the mojo of new rock star power, baby. Surely, Europeans will miss Bush. But a few magnitudes less so than they already miss his more reality-based predecessor.
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #8.1 - 2008-03-27 22:38 - (Reply)
(I'd like to add my humble apologies to the reader for a few annoying typos and two colossal run-on sentences, left in the wake of overeagerly hitting "Submit Comment")
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #8.1.1 - 2008-03-27 22:48 - (Reply)
Don't worry.
franchie
- #9 - 2008-03-30 08:56 - (Reply)
"Surely, Europeans will miss Bush. But a few magnitudes less so than they already miss his more reality-based predecessor."
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #9.1 - 2008-03-30 21:53 - (Reply)
Obviously I didn't present the predecessor of today's has-been as an absolute reference. But I'm curious why an at best mediocre chess player such as Nixon would ever deserve to be situated in the vicinity of the water President Eisenhower walked on.
franchie
- #9.1.1 - 2008-03-30 23:31 - (Reply)
the difference that Nixon has with W, was "intelligence", for forecasting geopolitical politics, and managed to prevent a civil war in the US to happen
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #9.1.1.1 - 2008-03-30 23:51 - (Reply)
Managed to "prevent a civil war"? By stepping down you mean, surely? You can thank more sensible incarnations of Congress and the Supreme Court for that.
franchie
- #10 - 2008-03-31 00:20 - (Reply)
no, intelligence means clever in the occurence, recognition of China, De Gaulle's friend, (though DG was difficult in the selection of friends :lol:)... and watergate wa still possible at that time, nowadays, impossible !
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #10.1 - 2008-03-31 00:26 - (Reply)
The circumstance that Watergate could "happen" isn't attributable to Nixon's bidding.
franchie
- #11 - 2008-03-31 00:33 - (Reply)
well, may be I am too romanesque, been too impressed by the movie about his bio
Álvaro Degives-Más
- #11.1 - 2008-03-31 00:36 - (Reply)
Henry Kissinger is a far more interesting figure, I believe. Add Comment
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