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Afghanistan: Merkel Has "No Time" for Burden Sharing ProposalsPosted by Joerg Wolf in German Politics, Transatlantic Relations on Saturday, February 23. 2008
According to Williamson she made those comments in a meeting with foreign correspondents in Berlin. It's bad diplomacy to tell the foreign press that she has no time to consider proposals for better burden sharing in Afghanistan. Usually, Merkel is more careful. Perhaps, Williamson misunderstood her... His colleague from the Associated Press wrote only about Merkel's diplomatic excuse for not sending German troops to the south:
Angela Merkel's exact words to the foreign correspondents are not that important. Fact is that she has not done more for Afghanistan than Chancellor Schroeder. Merkel has not increased support for US led policies. The praise she got in the US press after her election in November 2005 was not justified, but merely a reflection of how unpopular Chancellor Schroeder and Foreign Minister Fischer have been among US journalists. Schroeder and Fischer have supported the Kosovo and Afghanistan wars from the very beginning. Thereby they have changed German defense policy fundamentally. Schroeder's predecessor Helmut Kohl has just written a huge check to support the Iraq war in 1991. Before Schroeder's election the Federal Republic of Germany has never participated in a war that was not authorized by the UN Security Council (Kosovo) or deployed troops in a NATO mission outside of Europe (Afghanistan), including special forces. All this support for US foreign policy was forgotten, when Schroeder and Fischer dared to express strong public criticism of President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld during a German election campaign that coincided with the US government's campaign for the Iraq war.
Back to the Afghanistan issue: While the United States (and Canada) are pushing strongly for more European troops, the Afghan government has different priorities: President Karzai has "repeatedly urged Western allies to provide more funds and resources to the Afghan security forces, rather than send more troops," writes Sayed Salahuddin for Reuters. He adds that a government-run daily newspaper accused Karzai of being "under the influence of foreign powers and troops led by NATO" and that "the U.S. must set a firm date for their departure from Afghanistan." Then again, Karzai is not a great president... Karzai also rejected Paddy Ashdown as the United Nations special envoy for Afghanistan, although he might have contributed to better coordination among various international agencies in Afghanistan. Hugh Williamson writes in the above mentioned Financial Times article about Merkel:
What is needed is an International Afghanistan Study Group, modeled after the Iraq Study Group. The Afghanistan debate should not be limited any more to the number of troops European and American nations deploy in southern Afghanistan. We need a frank and honest evaluation of all our political and military strategies in Afghanistan. We have to debate fresh and controversial policy alternatives, which include negotiations with the Taliban, the replacement of the Karzai government, incursions into Pakistan, and the involvement of Iran and Russia.
Related Atlantic Review posts on Afghanistan: • Three Perspectives on NATO and Afghanistan • Afghanistan: NATO-Crisis Gets Worse • A Shared Mission in Afghanistan? • War for Dummies: Step 1, Fighting Is Necessary • Afghanistan: Fighting is Not Most Important • Chancellor Merkel's Lack of Leadership on Afghanistan • Fischer: "One day we'll be the ones asking for help, and no one will help us"
Related Atlantic Review posts about the American media's previous love and and admiration of Angela Merkel: • Better Transatlantic Relations in Style, not Substance • The U.S. Media's Admiration of Chancellor Merkel is Suddenly Over
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Joe Noory
- #1 - 2008-02-23 18:17 - (Reply)
It might be bad diplomacy, but I sense that it's good populism.
Zyme
- #1.1 - 2008-02-23 19:01 - (Reply)
I agree :)
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #1.2 - 2008-02-23 19:54 - (Reply)
@ Joe Noory,
Kyle Atwell
- #2 - 2008-02-23 20:28 - (Reply)
Regarding the creation of an Afghanistan Commission, the study group might come up with great suggestions, but each country will probably pick and choose the proposals based on their own interests, and perhaps less then 1 in 10 of the suggestions will actually affect policy."
Nanne
- #2.1 - 2008-02-24 12:10 - (Reply)
Indeed. It's worth remembering what happened to the Iraq Study Group's report.
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #2.1.1 - 2008-02-24 12:23 - (Reply)
I hear you, but the next US president might implement the ISG recommendations.
Joe Noory
- #3 - 2008-02-23 21:55 - (Reply)
Jeorg -
Zyme
- #3.1 - 2008-02-23 21:57 - (Reply)
btw is "Joe Noory" identical with "Joe" or ar these different persons?
David
- #4 - 2008-02-24 18:48 - (Reply)
Fascinating first-had account of the failing counter-insurgency in southern Afghanistan is the cover story of today's NYTimes Magazine.
John in Michigan, USA
- #4.1 - 2008-02-25 00:51 - (Reply)
Uh David, the entire article you link to is about the "Korengal River valley in Afghanistan’s northeastern province of Kunar". This is the tiny stretch of no man's land that improbably connects Afghanistan to China.
John in Michigan, USA
- #4.1.1 - 2008-02-25 01:27 - (Reply)
Crap...my geography is weak also. I read that there was a town in the Korengal valley called Yaka China and assumed it was in the part of Afghanistan that starts some 400 km NE of Kabul, and extends east to, well, China.
Elisabetta
- #5 - 2008-02-25 02:33 - (Reply)
Joerg: I would disagree with your assessment of the reason behind most American's fondness for Merkel. It was partly due to the nightmare that was Schroeder, but also to her bluntness and rather stabile political outlook. She has 'no time' for these type of discussion b/c the Bundestag has made its feelings known on the subject, Steinbrück and the SPD will not help and for the sake of God von Beust just scraped by in Hamburg--you should know these things and if you do not stop bothering me and read a primer on German politics. She may not be very helpful in a global context; read, not very helpful at all. However, she is a stateswoman and never acts from spite or juvenile passive aggressiveness. She just does not think that more troops are necessary and even were she to agree, she can not get them. So --basta-- go away. Kind of like Kohl with George P. Bush. Most people trust and like her and still refuse to understand 'why she doesn't see it our way?'.
Joe Noory
- #5.1 - 2008-02-25 18:42 - (Reply)
I think you're right Elizabetta. There was also the matter of her origin in the DDR, that knowing the value of her freedom would also likely giver her an appreciation of the (for example) pluralism that the DDR's propagandist Arno Winkler tried to deconstruct in the mind of the population. Much like the foundation of Lech Walesa compared to the complicated and often humanistically bereft thing that much of European leftism has often grown to be.
Elisabetta
- #5.2 - 2008-02-26 00:54 - (Reply)
She has 'no time' for these type of discussion b/c the Bundestag has made its feelings known on the subject, Steinbrück and the SPD will not help and for the sake of God von Beust just scraped by in Hamburg--you should know these things and if you do not stop bothering me and read a primer on German politics.
Don S
- #6 - 2008-02-25 22:06 - (Reply)
The problem is not with Merkel; it lies entirely in German public opinion and possibly in large part with the way the German media portrays issues to the German public. I'm not going to weary you with a rehash of the way US 'sins' were magnified beyond recognition or other much larger sins almost completely ignored, but recognize that the context exists.
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #6.1 - 2008-02-25 22:26 - (Reply)
"The problem is not with Merkel; it lies entirely in German public opinion"
Don S
- #6.1.1 - 2008-02-26 20:25 - (Reply)
"Sorry, but Merkel has huge possibilities to influence public opinion, but she does not even try!"
franchie
- #6.1.1.1 - 2008-02-26 21:23 - (Reply)
not millions of frenchs but of Brits, of Italiens, frenchs remained temperate ; may-be our muslim population did more the show with the extrem left ; in any case it wasn't turned against the american population but against its administration
John in Michigan, USA
- #6.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-26 23:42 - (Reply)
"it wasn't turned against the american population but against its administration"
Anonymous
- #6.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-27 00:22 - (Reply)
John in Michigan,
Joerg - Atlantic Review
- #6.1.1.2 - 2008-02-26 23:49 - (Reply)
@ Don
Don S
- #6.1.1.2.1 - 2008-02-27 10:14 - (Reply)
Possibly, but the repoirted figures were enormous. 250,000 here, 750,000 there, 3000,000 in a third place. Multiple cities in Germany, as many as 10 perhaps? It adds up to millions.
Anonymous
- #6.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-02-27 10:40 - (Reply)
And you believe that every single demonstrator chanted that "people like me are fascists"???
Don S
- #6.1.1.2.1.1.1 - 2008-02-27 16:43 - (Reply)
Perhaps not all at one time, of course. one needs a pause to draw breath or take a drink, after all.
Zyme
- #6.2 - 2008-02-25 23:18 - (Reply)
"They did the absolutely least that they believed could do and remain part of NATO after the vote to invoke Chapter Five. Less than the minimum, really, although the magnitude of the shortfall might be subject to debate."
Don S
- #6.2.1 - 2008-02-26 20:29 - (Reply)
Lot's of unimaginable things happened in the past decade, Zyme. The WTC towers toppling was pretty unimaginable though perhaps not well recalled outside the US. I thought millions of European marchers (and in the US) calling the US President (and really any pro-war American) fascists pretty unimaginable also.....
Zyme
- #7 - 2008-02-27 01:11 - (Reply)
Now we all have read and discussed an endless number of reasons of the transatlantic ice age, regarding the emotions of the people.
John in Michigan, USA
- #7.1 - 2008-02-27 02:23 - (Reply)
That certainly explains some of the feelings.
Zyme
- #7.1.1 - 2008-02-27 11:55 - (Reply)
I have to admit that this era took place before me noticing anything aside from my family and consumer products :)
John in Michigan, USA
- #7.1.1.1 - 2008-02-27 23:13 - (Reply)
I have been trying to find an article I read in the past 1-2 years that discussed the history of European anti-Americanism that long predates WW I and II. So far, no luck.
Pat Patterson
- #7.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-28 04:28 - (Reply)
John in Michigan-Were you possibly referring a rather long review of several books on French diplomacy and French and American relations in The National Interest by Martin Walker? Also I think you might be referring to the book by John J. Miller and Mark Molesky titled Our Oldest Enemy. This book essentially argues that French interests and behaviour rarely coincided with those of the Americans even when allies. The book begins with the French and Indian Wars but doesn't go back to discuss the almost 150 years of incursions from French Canada into the colonies or the sea born attacks and massacres of Protestant communities on the St. Lawrence and the Atlantic coasts. Link below second paragraph.
franchie
- #7.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-28 11:54 - (Reply)
BS, yeah, quite interesting, the reference is de Villepin, I am not sure anyone will buy his book here, but you did of course.
franchie
- #7.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-28 14:33 - (Reply)
"le problème des USA, et leur force peut-être, est que ce pays à besoin d’un bouc émissaire, pour rester leader.
Joe Noory
- #7.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-28 15:35 - (Reply)
Absolute nonsense: The US has enemies. It isn't seeking a scapegoat. Its' actions show that obviously to be the case. Were we to scapegoat an entire religion as we're often accused of doing, there would something more than isolated and overpublicized anecdotes of prejudice in the US, and there would be larger and more generalized military action worldwide.
franchie
- #7.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-02-28 16:18 - (Reply)
all I can remember of your rants, no passaran :lol:
Joe Noory
- #7.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 - 2008-03-03 18:16 - (Reply)
Hardly - I have nothing to do with them and don't even know who cooks it up. If you're looking for irrational invective, look at any number of thousands of "PS militant" web pages pouring out of the universities - they're far more critinous in nature. In fact look at Le Monde, Libe, Rue89. and Le Figaro quite frequently.
John in Michigan, USA
- #7.1.1.1.1.2 - 2008-02-28 15:07 - (Reply)
Thanks but no, that is not the review I'm talking about.
Anonymous
- #7.1.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-02-28 16:21 - (Reply)
don't mean to focus only on French anti-Americanism; indeed, I think that prior to WW I the French view represented the European view as a whole.
franchie
- #7.1.1.1.2 - 2008-02-28 10:38 - (Reply)
You could never find such sites in france against the americans such as :
Don S
- #7.1.1.1.2.1 - 2008-02-28 21:02 - (Reply)
"You could never find such sites in france against the americans such as :"
Anonymous
- #7.1.1.1.2.1.1 - 2008-02-28 21:34 - (Reply)
no Don, they are a bit more "subtil" there ; anyway it's not my cup of tea, I rather go on foreign papers and or on conservative american blogs
Don S
- #7.1.1.1.2.2 - 2008-02-28 21:58 - (Reply)
"I didn't find any of the sort against Germany, Italy, UK..."
franchie
- #7.1.1.1.2.2.1 - 2008-02-28 23:21 - (Reply)
dur dur de perdre son prestige :lol:
Joe Noory
- #7.1.1.1.2.2.1.1 - 2008-02-29 01:00 - (Reply)
I think they're more sophisticated than you generalize, especially when you're worried about people generalizing about opinions you concur with.
franchie
- #7.1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1 - 2008-02-29 01:17 - (Reply)
"the hospital that makes the charity look fool"
joe
- #7.1.1.2 - 2008-02-29 05:38 - (Reply)
Zyne,
Kevin Sampson
- #7.2 - 2008-02-27 05:40 - (Reply)
The hatred, maybe, the condescension, I doubt it. Quite the opposite, I would expect.
Zyme
- #7.2.1 - 2008-02-27 11:50 - (Reply)
Yes I agree to that - I originally wanted to make that distinction but forgot about it then. Add Comment
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